se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 1, 2010 3:53pm
krambman;583467 wrote:They are the "World Wide Leader in Sports," not sports reporting or sports investigative journalism. They are the Entertainment Sports Programming Network. SportCenter is an entertainment clips show. Should they report on it and raise some questions? Yes, and I'm sure they will. Would it be as much as if this dealt with a conference that they don't have a huge contract with? Probably not. But dealing with issue like this isn't their goal. Providing sports entertainment is their goal. Besides, look at all of the "liberal" news networks out there. None of them are really that liberal because they are all owned by major corporations that benefit from Republican policies, but no one seems to complain about that. The only news network that can be truly liberal is PBS because it's publicly funded. You just don't bite the hand that feeds you. Same concept.
It's their goal when they want it to be, but they're not going to upset their money conference.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Dec 1, 2010 3:55pm
trep14;583567 wrote:Is it possible that TCU sitting at number 3 has anything to do with this decision? I used to joke about the BCS/NCAA participating in some collusion/conspiracy to keep non-AQ teams from participating in the NC game but this seems like it might actually be happening now.
Why would the NCAA and BCS collude to keep a non-AQ team out of the championship game? The NCAA doesn't make any money on the D-1 college football post season because they aren't in charge of it. They only care about the NCAA basketball tournament because that's where they make all of their money. If anything the NCAA would want to do whatever they could to form a playoff so that they could get a piece of the CFB post-season pie.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Dec 1, 2010 3:56pm
se-alum;583572 wrote:It's their goal when they want it to be, but they're not going to upset their money conference.
Their goal is to provide entertainment and maximize their revenue stream, so if it would accomplish those goals they would pursue it. If it won't, then they won't.
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charliehustle14
Posts: 2,224
Dec 1, 2010 3:56pm
This whole thing seems so ridiculous. What a juvenile ruling.
I guess if Reggie wanted to keep his Heisman all he had to do was say that he had no idea that USC was giving his family benefits.
I guess if Reggie wanted to keep his Heisman all he had to do was say that he had no idea that USC was giving his family benefits.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 1, 2010 4:11pm
charliehustle14;583576 wrote:This whole thing seems so ridiculous. What a juvenile ruling.
I guess if Reggie wanted to keep his Heisman all he had to do was say that he had no idea that USC was giving his family benefits.
Exactly
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Dec 1, 2010 4:12pm
trep14;583567 wrote:Is it possible that TCU sitting at number 3 has anything to do with this decision? I used to joke about the BCS/NCAA participating in some collusion/conspiracy to keep non-AQ teams from participating in the NC game but this seems like it might actually be happening now.
I thought the same thing. Makes me wonder . . .
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Dec 1, 2010 4:16pm
Just to clarify- does this mean "case closed", or just that they don't have enough evidence at this time to make a definitive ruling?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 1, 2010 4:18pm
"Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement," said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs.
The search continues (Waterboy voice)The NCAA won't say its case is closed on the Newton recruitment even though it clears Newton himself. Its statement notes that reinstatement likely occurs "prior to the close of an investigation."
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Dec 1, 2010 4:34pm
charliehustle14;583576 wrote:This whole thing seems so ridiculous. What a juvenile ruling.
I guess if Reggie wanted to keep his Heisman all he had to do was say that he had no idea that USC was giving his family benefits.
Apparently USC athletic director Pat Haden is surprised ad confused by the ruling. They just set a precedent in the Reggie Bush case and made an example out of USC, and not they're setting basically the opposite precedent and letting everyone off scot-free.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/12/usc-football-cam-newton-reggie-bush-pat-haden-usc-ncaa-lane-kiffin.html
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Dec 1, 2010 4:44pm
Stupid ruling that basically gives the green light to cheating.
The NCAA should be ashamed of itself (again).
The NCAA should be ashamed of itself (again).
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Dec 1, 2010 4:45pm
Apparently this goes against a precedent set by the NCAA in 1995 when they ruled Arizona basketball star Damon Stoudemire ineligible for one game because his father received improper without his son's knowledge.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/95-suspended-star-didnt-know-of-dad-benefits-29294
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/95-suspended-star-didnt-know-of-dad-benefits-29294
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 1, 2010 5:15pm
lol--does the ruling on the field "stand", or is it "confirmed"jhay78;583594 wrote:Just to clarify- does this mean "case closed", or just that they don't have enough evidence at this time to make a definitive ruling?
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georgemc80
Posts: 983
Dec 1, 2010 5:16pm
They haven't found the money trail YET. It may take some time, but eventually the money will come to the surface and he will vacate the Heisman, Auburn will be punished. Makes me think about the skier/football player Jeremy Bloom (I think) from Colorado. The poor kid was ineligible for some endorsements as a skier....Cam Newton is a professional football player.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 1, 2010 5:20pm
NCAA just fucked up big time... can of worms as many have noted.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Dec 1, 2010 5:59pm
Well, I'm surprised he didn't get anything at all, but so much for all the hogwash about Auburn vacating wins.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Dec 1, 2010 6:09pm
enigmaax;583685 wrote:Well, I'm surprised he didn't get anything at all, but so much for all the hogwash about Auburn vacating wins.
Yet.
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Dec 1, 2010 6:14pm
Pssst, pssst,
T. Pryor's dad..........if you are on this site, I will have my agent give you $1.80 for your son to come to LSU next year. Make sure you dont tell your son about this though. It's O.K. as long as we dont tell your son (or he can just act like he dont know nothing about this) shhhhhh, between me and you. On a side note, we got alot better weather down here and your son will be what it takes to win a title. Yes, thats right, a title!! Does your mom like Range Rovers or Hummers?
T. Pryor's dad..........if you are on this site, I will have my agent give you $1.80 for your son to come to LSU next year. Make sure you dont tell your son about this though. It's O.K. as long as we dont tell your son (or he can just act like he dont know nothing about this) shhhhhh, between me and you. On a side note, we got alot better weather down here and your son will be what it takes to win a title. Yes, thats right, a title!! Does your mom like Range Rovers or Hummers?
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Dec 1, 2010 6:15pm
Writerbuckeye;583692 wrote:Yet.
Yeah, my point has always been that if there is a ruling during the season, there will be no retroactive punishment. A lot of people said there was no chance that would happen...that they wouldn't have any choice but to rule him retroactively ineligible and make Auburn vacate wins. Thats all.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Dec 1, 2010 7:35pm
cats gone wild;583696 wrote:Pssst, pssst,
T. Pryor's dad..........if you are on this site, I will have my agent give you $1.80 for your son to come to LSU next year. Make sure you dont tell your son about this though. It's O.K. as long as we dont tell your son (or he can just act like he dont know nothing about this) shhhhhh, between me and you. On a side note, we got alot better weather down here and your son will be what it takes to win a title. Yes, thats right, a title!! Does your mom like Range Rovers or Hummers?
The weather is different. Not better. As seen by the last 15 days where it's gone from 80 to 40 to 70 to 40 to 80 to 30. Got allergies here because of the humidity. Never had them at all in Ohio or Wyoming.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 1, 2010 8:18pm
is this supposed to be funny? gtf outta' here, cats--nobody likes you!!!cats gone wild;583696 wrote:Pssst, pssst,
T. Pryor's dad..........if you are on this site, I will have my agent give you $1.80 for your son to come to LSU next year. Make sure you dont tell your son about this though. It's O.K. as long as we dont tell your son (or he can just act like he dont know nothing about this) shhhhhh, between me and you. On a side note, we got alot better weather down here and your son will be what it takes to win a title. Yes, thats right, a title!! Does your mom like Range Rovers or Hummers?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Dec 2, 2010 8:56am
What a bunch of BS. I can't believe they already reinstated him.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 2, 2010 10:58am
vball10set;583414 wrote:they'll be some, but not a lot...if this had been the first we heard about it, then yes--but this thing has taken on a life of it's own, and it's had enough time to be discussed, processed, and rehashed enough that apathy has already set in.
I was wrong...Mike & Mike, along with Mark Schlereth, just blistered this whole thing this morning--and I'm glad. I've got a feeling this isn't over yet, and I don't mean two years down the road either.karen lotz;583426 wrote:There won't be a lot by ESPN or their employees for obvious reasons which will be misleading because they are the self proclaimed "World Wide Leader" and the most visible. Media members not associated with ESPN won't have an issue questioning the ruling.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Dec 2, 2010 11:17am
ccrunner609;584806 wrote:do they think he is getting nailed before the bowls?
I did hear Dan PAtrick this morning talking about how it didnt matter if he knew or not. The NCAA rules dont differ between him and his dad. Like Reggie Bush case, one in the same.
Not that it matters because if anyone is expecting the NCAA to be consistent, they probably haven't been following the NCAA for very long...anyway...I think someone posted the rule and pointed out how it says, "on behalf of". Which leaves room for interpretation; if the kid didn't have any knowledge, was the person actually acting "on behalf of" the kid? Clearly, at this time, the NCAA is saying that he wasn't acting "on behalf of" Cam Newton, hence, no punishment.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Dec 2, 2010 11:22am
vball10set;584793 wrote:I was wrong...Mike & Mike, along with Mark Schlereth, just blistered this whole thing this morning--and I'm glad. I've got a feeling this isn't over yet, and I don't mean two years down the road either.
WoJo wrote a good scathing article yesterday as well. SportsCenter isn't going to talk a ton or bast the decision because that's not the right venue for it, but all of the opinions shows will certainly talk about it.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 2, 2010 12:45pm
This is an absolute joke. If I was Pat Haden (USC athetic director) , I would be knocking the door down at the NCAA. There really wasn't much difference between what Newton did and what Bush did. Only thing was, it took the NCAA five years to catch Bush, and once they did the investigation, they murdered USC.
Definitely some shenanigans going on by the NCAA. Seems like there is some protecting going on. If Auburn/Newton gets DQed, TCU is next in line for the title. We all know how the BCS conferences feel about non-AQ schools...
Definitely some shenanigans going on by the NCAA. Seems like there is some protecting going on. If Auburn/Newton gets DQed, TCU is next in line for the title. We all know how the BCS conferences feel about non-AQ schools...