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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Nov 30, 2009 7:45pm
Say hello to Weis in Cleveland in 2010 as the offensive coordinator.
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Citybuck
Posts: 269
Nov 30, 2009 9:31pm
Charlie Weis arrived at Notre Dame flashing Super Bowls rings and talking about outscheming opponents. He leaves one of college football’s most prestigious programs without even matching the records of the two men who were fired before him.
Can you say overrated.........
Can you say overrated.........
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Pescara71
Posts: 48
Nov 30, 2009 9:35pm
Yeah I think Charlie was arrogant in the beginning. He was a part of the Patriots cheating, whether he was awrae or not, I don'y know. He just couldn't get it done at ND. And had some tuff breaks and recruited very well considering the aspects of getting highly educated talent to come to ND.
Funny thing though, that I respect about Charlie, I believe he finnally left that NFL attitude behind and made a real connection with them Boys at ND. Not just professionally but REALLY CARED for them. And I RESPECT that, and admire him for that, despite his record.
It was just to little to late for Charlie.
Funny thing though, that I respect about Charlie, I believe he finnally left that NFL attitude behind and made a real connection with them Boys at ND. Not just professionally but REALLY CARED for them. And I RESPECT that, and admire him for that, despite his record.
It was just to little to late for Charlie.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Nov 30, 2009 10:31pm
I agree that the recruits coming in are big time recruits. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc. They need a coach that can develop the talent in South Bend. It's not that the recruits are overrated, it's that they are underdevloped and underachieving.rock_knutne wrote:
I made this point a ton of times. If the highly rated recruits that end up at ND are overrated, then why did they all receive multiple scholarship offers from the likes of USC, Florida, LSU, Alabama, so forth and so forth?
Freakin clueless!
This refutes anything saying Stoops is going to ND. Whether he is pulling a Rich Rod or not, I don't know.sjmvsfscs08 wrote: It's already being reported Notre Dame and Bob Stoops have agreed, verbally, on a contract.
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1109/682835.html
However this doesn't sound that way: http://newsok.com/bob-stoops-im-going-to-be-in-oklahoma-next-year/article/3421502
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701121
To get the Oklahoma boosters to throw some more money his way.sleeper wrote:I don't get it either, why not just come out and say "I am not interested in being the coach of Notre Dame and I will be back at Oklahoma next year."That's the transcript, definitely interesting how he worded his responses.
Boom! End of story.
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rock_knutne
Nov 30, 2009 10:43pm
Agreed, Weis just couldn't get these guys developed and they played with little emotion. Also, for all his great recruiting efforts, he couldn't land multiple defensive studs which in the end really killed him because the defense was terrible under his watch.dwccrew wrote:I agree that the recruits coming in are big time recruits. Clausen, Tate, Floyd, etc. They need a coach that can develop the talent in South Bend. It's not that the recruits are overrated, it's that they are underdevloped and underachieving.
If you read at then end of that story, Stoops says he's not confirming or denying anything. I think he's gone and coming to South Bend.dwccrew wrote:This refutes anything saying Stoops is going to ND. Whether he is pulling a Rich Rod or not, I don't know.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701121
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Nov 30, 2009 10:46pm
I think there is definitely a chance, albeit I feel it is a very slim chance, that Stoops goes to ND. It just doesn't look good IMO.rock_knutne wrote:If you read at then end of that story, Stoops says he's not confirming or denying anything. I think he's gone and coming to South Bend.dwccrew wrote:This refutes anything saying Stoops is going to ND. Whether he is pulling a Rich Rod or not, I don't know.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701121
If Stoops was thinking of taking the job, I don't think he would come out right away and say that he doesn't intend on taking any interviews for any other jobs.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 30, 2009 10:48pm
You also felt Weis would be given another year. Also, his comment about not interviewing for another job is valid because he already has with ND. No need to interview anymore.dwccrew wrote:I think there is definitely a chance, albeit I feel it is a very slim chance, that Stoops goes to ND. It just doesn't look good IMO.rock_knutne wrote:If you read at then end of that story, Stoops says he's not confirming or denying anything. I think he's gone and coming to South Bend.dwccrew wrote:This refutes anything saying Stoops is going to ND. Whether he is pulling a Rich Rod or not, I don't know.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701121
If Stoops was thinking of taking the job, I don't think he would come out right away and say that he doesn't intend on taking any interviews for any other jobs.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Nov 30, 2009 10:52pm
Hamp89 wrote:I believed and stated Weis would be given another year if he won out (against UConn and Stanford). He didn't do that, so he is gone.dwccrew wrote:
You also felt Weis would be given another year. Also, his comment about not interviewing for another job is valid because he already has with ND. No need to interview anymore.
I just think it is a little wishful thinking on the ND fans part. I think Stoops worded it to leave his options open, but I don't think he goes. If I am wrong, I am wrong and ND fans will have a good coach finally.
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rock_knutne
Nov 30, 2009 10:59pm
Also, a coach with a resume' like Stoops doesn't have to interview, they just get offered the job.Hamp89 wrote:Also, his comment about not interviewing for another job is valid because he already has with ND. No need to interview anymore.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 30, 2009 11:03pm
Good point.rock_knutne wrote:Also, a coach with a resume' like Stoops doesn't have to interview, they just get offered the job.Hamp89 wrote:Also, his comment about not interviewing for another job is valid because he already has with ND. No need to interview anymore.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Nov 30, 2009 11:04pm
as ive been saying, id rather have kelly anyways (if all this new speculation is true)
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 30, 2009 11:07pm
No way..his teams have worse defenses than ND.rocket31 wrote: as ive been saying, id rather have kelly anyways (if all this new speculation is true)
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Nov 30, 2009 11:07pm
True.rock_knutne wrote:
Also, a coach with a resume' like Stoops doesn't have to interview, they just get offered the job.
I think Kelly could be one of those high risk, high reward hires. He could turn out to be the savior of the program or he could turn out to be another in a line of duds.rocket31 wrote: as ive been saying, id rather have kelly anyways (if all this new speculation is true)
At least with Stoops you know he can lead a prestigious program and he can duke it out with big time competition.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Nov 30, 2009 11:11pm
same position urban meyer was in a few years ago before florida hired him and we all know how that turned out...
id be happy to get a handful of these names being tossed around, i am just glad there are attractive candidates to chose from.
id be happy to get a handful of these names being tossed around, i am just glad there are attractive candidates to chose from.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Nov 30, 2009 11:14pm
Very true. Although, IMO, Urban Meyer was the exception, not the rule. But honestly, I'd like to see ND get a good coach that makes them competitive again. I like rooting against them more when they are one of the top teams. It makes for more excitement when they lose and they are good. When they are expected to lose, it's not as fun.rocket31 wrote: same position urban meyer was in a few years ago before florida hired him and we all know how that turned out...
id be happy to get a handful of these names being tossed around, i am just glad there are attractive candidates to chose from.
Only watching Michigan lose every game is fun.
So here's to hoping ND gets a coach that can turn it around.
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rock_knutne
Nov 30, 2009 11:16pm
Hamp89 wrote:No way..his teams have worse defenses than ND.rocket31 wrote: as ive been saying, id rather have kelly anyways (if all this new speculation is true)
I wouldn't be pissed if they hired Kelly but his current defensive record scares me, Cincy has been in a couple shootouts here at the end of the season. I'd like to know that if the offense can score 35+ points a game, most of the time you're going to win because you have a solid defense. Although, one thing I did find out about Kelly is he started out as a defensive coordinator so who knows.
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rocket31
Posts: 460
Nov 30, 2009 11:19pm
you have to take into consideration the defensive unit kelly has had this season...
correct me if i am wrong, but didnt they replace 10 starters on defense???
...it speaks volumes that former notre dame QB demetrius jones is LB for cincy this season
when a former QB is playing LB you know there are defensive talent issues :]
correct me if i am wrong, but didnt they replace 10 starters on defense???
...it speaks volumes that former notre dame QB demetrius jones is LB for cincy this season
when a former QB is playing LB you know there are defensive talent issues :]
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rock_knutne
Nov 30, 2009 11:30pm
Again, I wouldn't have an issue with Kelly being hired. If he's the man I just hope ND can get back to playing good defense like they did under Holtz.
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h2thaizzo
Posts: 256
Dec 1, 2009 1:41pm
I don't know how we could call what happened to Weis being fired. He will be making 18 million dollars to not coach football at Notre Dame anymore. To me, its more of an extended vacation.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Dec 1, 2009 5:25pm
golden corral here we come