Strapping Young Lad wrote: You're right, because I've said nothing except that I'm not willing to say I know what happened...

This is a weak statement because what happened is knowable. Your lack of interest or ability to perform critical thinking doesn't somehow cause legitimate doubt.

I know what happened, the better question is why the hell don't you?

You actually think that two consrvatives, knowingly involved w/ the Bush admin., write a document that includes a line like -"the process of transormation...is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic event, like a new Pearl Harbor", then it happens and people aren't going to wonder????

I can't imagine what you'd be saying right now if it was Obama instead of Bush....

Strapping Young Lad wrote: You actually think that two consrvatives, knowingly involved w/ the Bush admin., write a document that includes a line like -"the process of transormation...is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic event, like a new Pearl Harbor", then it happens and people aren't going to wonder????

I can't imagine what you'd be saying right now if it was Obama instead of Bush....

I'd be saying show me facts, not what someone said. I don't know whether you're being intentionally obtuse, but you've wasted enough of my time.

Thanks, I always find it amusing when some blow hard tries to tell me what I should believe and how I should think....(or not think).

But can't quite tell me why...

Strapping Young Lad wrote:

jmog wrote:
Please give us just one "poignant question" they brought up that isn't easily dismissed with real science. Being a scientist myself I'd love to hear it as I've had this discussion numerous times with some conspiracy theorist people.

My favorites are the "fire wasn't hot enough" ones to do whatever, some say melt steal, some say make the building collapse, some say different things that prove there was something else (explosives) that made the building fall.

I love disproving their assertations with the real chemistry and physics behind combustion instead of some single persons AVERAGED calculations across a whole building floor (yes, I have read that site and his "science" is crap).

That's nice, but not all of them deal with science, so I doubt you'll be able to weigh in, as much as you like to think you could....

i'll ask again, why are guys so offended that I will question things the gov't says....Is it thatI'm questioning the Bush administration or something else.

I'm guessing you guys are conservatives and you do question your government, just not the administrations you voted for...

Am I close???

Actually many of the conspiracy theories have PLENTY to do with science from combustion science to civil engineering of building structures, to controlled demolitions, etc.

You're right about that. But like I said, I'm no scientist so I couldn't begin to be able to tell you right from wrong on those ones....

There are scientists on both sides of those arguments and I don't know the science well enough to know, so it'd be me judging who the better scientist is, though I don't know any of them...

Wouldn't make much sense for me to draw any conclusions from that.

queencitybuckeye wrote:

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I just told you what I think and that is some interesting questions have been raised about the events and I'm not sure that any "official" explanation account for those questions....

Name one specific example.

How about the put options taken out before 9/11. How about the fact that there were two pristine passports of the hijackers found at the Pentagon and the WTC site. Seems a little convenient. Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11. Little things like that.

There are definitely weird things going on here, but not enough to lead me to believe the government was behind it. Planting the passports (which was obviously done) seems like more of an attempt to direct the blame at someone though.

Yeah the put options thing is odd. Of course some people say that in the grand scheme of things it's not so odd. So, like I said, not sure who is telling the truth when it comes to this stuff...

Do you guys even know what a "put" is?

All of these trades are available to regulators, and for the most part available to the public. There isn't some grand scheme...now or then.

No, only you know because you live in Manhattan...You know everything because you know everyone and anyone who doesn't think like you is obtuse and can't think critically...:rolleyes:


You are so awesome, it makes me wonder why you are so concerned with what I think......

- I don't think our government was behind 9/11

- critical thinking of our government is a must

- critical thinking of our government does not mean that one thinks that our government is responsible for 9/11

- one person's critical thinking does not diminish or trump another person's critical thinking

Why on earth should we ever be weary of our government LYING to us???? Especially the Bush Administration!!!! They've been nothing but honest, especially on the subjects of invading the Middle East....

i'll accept everything they say without question and ridicule anyone who does differently...

Strapping Young Lad wrote: Why on earth should we ever be weary of our government LYING to us???? Especially the Bush Administration!!!! They've been nothing but honest, especially on the subjects of invading the Middle East....

i'll accept everything they say without question and ridicule anyone who does differently...

Do you think the Bushies lied more than any other typical administration?

fish82 wrote:Do you think the Bushies lied more than any other typical administration?

Fish,

Haven't you learned by now?!?

"Bush lied, millions died"

Is it coming back to you, yet?

Not necessarily. But they were caught lying about our reason for invading Iraq. So, is there a reason I shouldn't be skeptical of this also, since it's related to the Iraq War????

queencitybuckeye wrote:

Strapping Young Lad wrote: But i do know that "conspiracists" have raised some poignant questions on the events of 9/11 and I'm not sure what to think.....

Really? All the ones that I've seen are nutbag theories that can be demolished with common sense or three minutes research online. If you have links to some that aren't, I'd love to take a look.

There are just as many online "sources" that debunk the official version of the 9-11 Commission report.

I'm not a scientist either...but the demise of building 7 sure seems remarkable to me.

Strapping Young Lad wrote: Not necessarily. But they were caught lying about our reason for invading Iraq. So, is there a reason I shouldn't be skeptical of this also, since it's related to the Iraq War????

Hoo boy...the can of worms that you've opened up here. Iraq lies? Surely you jest.

"There are just as many online "sources" that debunk the official version of the 9-11 Commission report.

I'm not a scientist either...but the demise of building 7 sure seems remarkable to me. "

Well, what are you then?

What do you mean what is he??? He obviously is questiong the answers so he must be an obtuse nobody who can't even think critically...

Still wondering why you, in all your awesomness, is concerned w/ what a bunch of zero's like us think.....

I'm a magna cum laude civil engineering graduate from a top 20 university, with a 99th percentile LSAT (and MBE to the extent the info is available) and a law degree from one of the "top schools", that watched the towers fall with my own eyes, one of the most surreal moments of my life was seeing firsthand the difference in timing between television and real life- you know how it happened? One of my co-workers, a young lady, about 25 years old who was a recent graduate from Penn St. from Allentown, PA, who moved to the city with her fiance sat next to me and listened in the boardroom about how folks were jumping out of the towers - her fiance, who was just an IT guy at Cantor Fitzgerald, was one of those people, few can understand how difficult the experience was. You don't forget that anytime soon, and you don't stop wondering what it is about the U.S. that we fight for.

What the hell does that have to do with me questioning the answers that our government has given us....

Do you think that you are more entitled to a belief or more American than me because of it????because that sure is what it sounds like....You think you were the only one affected by that?????

i haven't said a GD word about the manner in which the collapse took place so point that shit somewhere else...

You sound like your general elitist who thinks because he holds a degree and graduated in some percentile, he can suddenly tell me when I can ask questions and when I can't....You've got another thing coming...I've got friends on the frontline too so you can take that authoritarian tone that you've directed at me and shove it!!!!

This thread is going to be locked for 24 hours for both parties to cool off

Let's try this one more time, being more civil and less personal.

I figured it out. LJ caused 9/11, why else would he want to censor this topic! Conspiracy solved.

Well well should I even state my opinion on this matter or a few questions. Since I might be an idiot because I don't believe everything I hear! "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"

O.k here it goes I will spill somethings on my mind

How do you explain the building falling exactly like a controlled demolition?
How do you explain witness reports that bomb dogs were not allowed in the building days prior to collapse?
What about the missing gold?
What about the insurance policy

And the big one I bet you all really believe that the people on that United plane overtook the terrorist and crashed the plane.