skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 23, 2011 9:45pm
It is well documented that when Moeller was in their prime, they were getting kids from 3 or 4 states. St. Ignatius has been getting kids from ALL OVER the Cleveland area for years, Rocky River, Brecksville, Painesville, Strongsville. Mooney/Ursuline = Boardman, Fitch, Campbell. We all know the St. V. situation. These are hand picked kids, it's not just like they show up for the first day of contact and the coach says, "damn, looks like we found us a football player".
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Feb 23, 2011 9:47pm
skank;689425 wrote:It is well documented that when Moeller was in their prime, they were getting kids from 3 or 4 states. St. Ignatius has been getting kids from ALL OVER the Cleveland area for years, Rocky River, Brecksville, Painesville, Strongsville. Mooney/Ursuline = Boardman, Fitch, Campbell. We all know the St. V. situation. These are hand picked kids, it's not just like they show up for the first day of contact and the coach says, "damn, looks like we found us a football player".
Yep...you're right. And when Mooney went 5-5, 0-10, and 5-5 in 2000, 2001, and 2002...that was because there were budget cuts in the scouting department, right?
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Feb 24, 2011 2:20am
Yet he still fails to answer the question. He is thinthick's siamese brother. When he posts I think of the following.
Keep dacing around the question.
Keep dacing around the question.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 24, 2011 1:11pm
Is that what the Massillon coach says when kids transfer there?skank;689425 wrote: These are hand picked kids, it's not just like they show up for the first day of contact and the coach says, "damn, looks like we found us a football player".
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 4:54pm
Al Bundy;690123 wrote:Is that what the Massillon coach says when kids transfer there?
How original, how was gym class today?
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 4:55pm
sherm03;689428 wrote:Yep...you're right. And when Mooney went 5-5, 0-10, and 5-5 in 2000, 2001, and 2002...that was because there were budget cuts in the scouting department, right?
That's what I figured.
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Dean Wormer
Posts: 333
Feb 24, 2011 5:01pm
I think Skank could have been one heck of a fighter. He can dodge and weave and avoid the punches with the best of them.sherm03;689265 wrote:I'm sure there were complaints from Austintown. But there wasn't outcry from everyone else. There wasn't a widespread branding of Harding as cheaters and recruiters. But if MoC had come to Mooney instead of Harding, every person in the area (and most people around the state) would have said that Mooney cheated and recruited him and blah blah blah.
Again, way to avoid the question. Why is it OK for a kid to transfer to an open enrollment school, but you don't feel that it's OK for a kid to transfer to a parochial school?
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 24, 2011 7:04pm
Pot meet kettle. Wasn't your star "transfer" from another state last year?skank;689425 wrote:It is well documented that when Moeller was in their prime, they were getting kids from 3 or 4 states.
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Dean Wormer
Posts: 333
Feb 24, 2011 7:56pm
Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!sherm03;689428 wrote:Yep...you're right. And when Mooney went 5-5, 0-10, and 5-5 in 2000, 2001, and 2002...that was because there were budget cuts in the scouting department, right?
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Rocket08
Posts: 645
Feb 24, 2011 8:58pm
Dean Wormer;690730 wrote:Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!
That had to hurt
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 9:24pm
Al Bundy;690652 wrote:Pot meet kettle. Wasn't your star "transfer" from another state last year?
Yeah, he should have just stayed at his school in Oregon, maybe they could borrow the old Archbishop Moeller "company" plane for the commute.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 9:29pm
Dean Wormer;690730 wrote:Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!
And....We're right back to square one where we started. Coincidently, that's about the time that the advantages given to the parochials became apparent.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 9:30pm
Dean Wormer;690730 wrote:Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!
Two L's in Massillon.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Feb 24, 2011 10:21pm
Which advantages were given to parochials?skank;690810 wrote:And....We're right back to square one where we started. Coincidently, that's about the time that the advantages given to the parochials became apparent.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Feb 24, 2011 10:31pm
Al Bundy;690877 wrote:Which advantages were given to parochials?
The advantage of playing against teams who are a bunch of whiners and look for excuses as to why they lost instead of working harder to get better.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 10:32pm
Al Bundy;690877 wrote:Which advantages were given to parochials?
You obviously already know, otherwise you would have said, "what advantages", not "which advantages". You're so transparent.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 10:35pm
sherm03;690892 wrote:The advantage of playing against teams who are a bunch of whiners and look for excuses as to why they lost instead of working harder to get better.
And we're back to repeating comments already on pages 4, 16, 21, 22, 23, 34, 41, 42, 46, 47, 48, 52, 53, 58, 62, 64, 68, 71.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 10:45pm
sherm03;690892 wrote:The advantage of playing against teams who are a bunch of whiners and look for excuses as to why they lost instead of working harder to get better.
Ok, mods....I believe you can now close the thread....sherman has figured it all out, things are settled, if only we had known years ago, things would be more level right now.
Obviously,
1) Parochial school kids run harder during conditioning.
2) Parochial school kids lift harder in the weight room.
3) Parochial school kids want to win more than their public school counterparts.
Sherman has made it clear that it has nothing to do with the fact that most parochial schools are getting kids from, in some cases, 7 counties, and in other cases, 3 states.
I concede, I can't wait to tell the public school coaches that all they have to do is work harder....I's like having one of those easy buttons.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Feb 24, 2011 10:48pm
skank;690899 wrote:And we're back to repeating comments already on pages 4, 16, 21, 22, 23, 34, 41, 42, 46, 47, 48, 52, 53, 58, 62, 64, 68, 71.
You mean like the comments you repeated throughout the whole thread?
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 24, 2011 10:50pm
sherm03;690920 wrote:You mean like the comments you repeated throughout the whole thread?
Wow, nice, kinda like the old classic, I know you are but what am I. How was gym class today?
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Feb 25, 2011 7:16am
skank;690917 wrote: Sherman has made it clear that it has nothing to do with the fact that most parochial schools are getting kids from, in some cases, 7 counties, and in other cases, 3 states.
Cases?? Any other examples other than one school for a two-year period almost 30 years ago? Careful there skank...I'd hate for this conversation to drift toward the methods used to win those 22 titles you're so fond of.
But for the record...you wouldn't have won either game even if they didn't have those five kids. Their backups were better than most of the players you had on the field.
skank
Posts: 6,543
Feb 25, 2011 8:30am
fish82;691146 wrote:Cases?? Any other examples other than one school for a two-year period almost 30 years ago? Careful there skank...I'd hate for this conversation to drift toward the methods used to win those 22 titles you're so fond of.
But for the record...you wouldn't have won either game even if they didn't have those five kids. Their backups were better than most of the players you had on the field.
1) Of course their backups were better than most of Massillons starters, you don't assemble an all star team and have no depth on it.
2) It seems I forgot who Moellers back ups were, how bout you remind me? Massillons starters for that Matter? Yeah, that's what I thought.
3) A two year period? Who you trying to bs? The average passerby may fall for that, but most of us know better.
ManO'War
Posts: 1,420
Feb 25, 2011 10:58am
I went to the Massillon vs Moeller game at PBTS in the early 90's...forget what year, but it was the game when Moeller hit the screen pass over the middle for a 60 yard TD with under a minute to go to win the game.
I sat in the Moeller section because that is where my tickets were, and I was talking to the dad of a Moeller defensive back...he was from North Hills in Pittsburgh, and they sent their son down to live with a friend so he could play for Moeller.
I sat in the Moeller section because that is where my tickets were, and I was talking to the dad of a Moeller defensive back...he was from North Hills in Pittsburgh, and they sent their son down to live with a friend so he could play for Moeller.
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Dean Wormer
Posts: 333
Feb 25, 2011 11:08am
You don't have to tell the coaches from teams like Coldwater, Maple Heights, St. Henry, etc. They knew this fact long ago. It's just a shame that you couldn't figure it out for yourself!skank;690917 wrote:Ok, mods....I believe you can now close the thread....sherman has figured it all out, things are settled, if only we had known years ago, things would be more level right now.
Obviously,
1) Parochial school kids run harder during conditioning.
2) Parochial school kids lift harder in the weight room.
3) Parochial school kids want to win more than their public school counterparts.
I concede, I can't wait to tell the public school coaches that all they have to do is work harder....I's like having one of those easy buttons.
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Dean Wormer
Posts: 333
Feb 25, 2011 11:09am
And Big Red is not open enrollment. Right?ManO'War;691417 wrote:I went to the Massillon vs Moeller game at PBTS in the early 90's...forget what year, but it was the game when Moeller hit the screen pass over the middle for a 60 yard TD with under a minute to go to win the game.
I sat in the Moeller section because that is where my tickets were, and I was talking to the dad of a Moeller defensive back...he was from North Hills in Pittsburgh, and they sent their son down to live with a friend so he could play for Moeller.