Hockey isn't an OHSAA sport.

I don't know if it's recognized by the OHSAA yet or not, but I got my info directly off of the OHSAA website. I clicked on tournament history. Among others were "OHSAA Regulations". So, it's recognized at least somewhat for now. But even if it isn't....The results of the tournaments give us publics another sport to "whine" about.

skank;599830 wrote:I don't know if it's recognized by the OHSAA yet or not, but I got my info directly off of the OHSAA website. I clicked on tournament history. Among others were "OHSAA Regulations". So, it's recognized at least somewhat for now. But even if it isn't....The results of the tournaments give us publics another sport to "whine" about.

I also went to a public school, but I don't cry about made up accusations. If you have evidence that a school broke rules, turn them in.

Ok....

These results don't scream "Parochial Advantage" to you? I mean in the big 4 sports, there have been 44 champions in the last 11 years, parochials have won 28 of them, we're talking about something like 6% or possibly lower, winning 63% of the tournaments over the past 11 years.

COME ON FELLA'S....OPEN YOUR EYES.

DAMN.

If it was only one year, or even once in a while, one could say coincidence, but this is over the past 11 years.

skank;599846 wrote:Ok....

These results don't scream "Parochial Advantage" to you? I mean in the big 4 sports, there have been 44 champions in the last 11 years, parochials have won 28 of them, we're talking about something like 6% or possibly lower, winning 63% of the tournaments over the past 11 years.

COME ON FELLA'S....OPEN YOUR EYES.

DAMN.

If it was only one year, or even once in a while, one could say coincidence, but this is over the past 11 years.

Your assumption that titles will be split evenly is false. If you take out all of the private schools, there will still be a small group of public schools who will dominate.

When did wrestling become a major sport? Are you just using it to try to prove your point? You could look at track and field which draws more than wrestling, and public school have dominated that in the last decade.

So what was the original question? LOL

Wrestling isn't a major sport....In Ohio?

Al Bundy;599855 wrote:Your assumption that titles will be split evenly is false. If you take out all of the private schools, there will still be a small group of public schools who will dominate.

When did wrestling become a major sport? Are you just using it to try to prove your point? You could look at track and field which draws more than wrestling, and public school have dominated that in the last decade.

And I could have also included swimming....a sport that someone hasn't won since pre 2000, not named St. X or St. Charles.

skank;599846 wrote:Ok....

These results don't scream "Parochial Advantage" to you? I mean in the big 4 sports, there have been 44 champions in the last 11 years, parochials have won 28 of them, we're talking about something like 6% or possibly lower, winning 63% of the tournaments over the past 11 years.

COME ON FELLA'S....OPEN YOUR EYES.

DAMN.

If it was only one year, or even once in a while, one could say coincidence, but this is over the past 11 years.

OK...

But it's FIVE schools (because one parochial school you listed is 0-1 in state title games) that are dominating over the past 11 years in D1. These results don't scream "Parochial Advantage" to me. They scream "Damn, FIVE teams are REALLY good!" It screams, "Those FIVE schools must have some really good coaching to be able to do that year in and year out!"

Let's face it...if you live in Cleveland...and you want to wrestle in high school...why wouldn't you want to go to St. Ed? If you live in Cincy...and you want to get a chance to win a State Championship in football...why wouldn't you want to go to a GCL school? And again...the top 5 schools you listed are Clevland and Cincinnati schools. So maybe you have a problem with big city vs. small city schools and not private vs. public.

Al Bundy;599855 wrote:Your assumption that titles will be split evenly is false. If you take out all of the private schools, there will still be a small group of public schools who will dominate.

EXACTLY! The point I've been trying to get across for 1,000+ posts now! The idea to move the privates up or out will not all of a sudden create this great parity where teams that never win all of a sudden become title contenders. All it will do is allow public schools who are constantly right there or winning to win even more.

skank;599865 wrote:Wrestling isn't a major sport....In Ohio?

Wrestling isn't as big as track in Ohio, but I know the results in track don't show what you are trying to prove and wrestling does.

Is that how you explain

since 2000

Upper Arlington 1 app.
WGH 1 app
McK 1 app
HD 2 app
Glenville 1 app
Solon 1 app
Colerain 1 app
Massillon 1 app
Mentor 2 app
HHW 1 app

11 years 10 different public schools get a shot.

The State wrestling tournament drew 64,000..........I don't know the attendance for The State track&field meet.

Al Bundy;599883 wrote:Wrestling isn't as big as track in Ohio, but I know the results in track don't show what you are trying to prove and wrestling does.

We need a multplier for track the private schools can't compete

DIII
Girls-Versailles (MAC) Boys-North Robinson Colonel Crawford

DII
Girls-Cleveland Collingwood Boys-Pemberville Eastwood

DI
Girls-Reynoldsburg 2 in a row Boys-Warren G. Harding

Gardens35;599900 wrote:The State wrestling tournament drew 64,000..........I don't know the attendance for The State track&field meet.

and has been as high as 75,500.

Yeah track and field does not touch wrestling it may be due to the number of days held 2 and the venue size which only holds 10,000. The number last year was 25,275 for track and field.

Al Bundy;599855 wrote:Your assumption that titles will be split evenly is false. If you take out all of the private schools, there will still be a small group of public schools who will dominate.

When did wrestling become a major sport? Are you just using it to try to prove your point? You could look at track and field which draws more than wrestling, and public school have dominated that in the last decade.

This is the post that we are responding to.

Al Bundy;599883 wrote:Wrestling isn't as big as track in Ohio, but I know the results in track don't show what you are trying to prove and wrestling does.

Attendence numbers prove otherwise. Not to mention the weather is much nicer during the state track meet.

That is true skank even when the State Track meets were held in the shoe the attendance still did not touch wrestling.

Who gives a crap about basketball, wrestling, track, baseball, swimming, volleyball, golf, bowling, etc. anyways? What do these numbers have to do with the private schools being separated or hit with a multiplier in FOOTBALL?

Go into those forums with your titles for each one of those and talk about how the privates should be moved up and out in those sports. Those numbers should not affect anything with football anyways.

skank;599846 wrote:These results don't scream "Parochial Advantage" to you?

No.

sherm03;600060 wrote:Who gives a crap about basketball, wrestling, track, baseball, swimming, volleyball, golf, bowling, etc. anyways? What do these numbers have to do with the private schools being separated or hit with a multiplier in FOOTBALL?

Go into those forums with your titles for each one of those and talk about how the privates should be moved up and out in those sports. Those numbers should not affect anything with football anyways.

What he said

sherm03;600060 wrote:Who gives a crap about basketball, wrestling, track, baseball, swimming, volleyball, golf, bowling, etc. anyways? What do these numbers have to do with the private schools being separated or hit with a multiplier in FOOTBALL?

Go into those forums with your titles for each one of those and talk about how the privates should be moved up and out in those sports. Those numbers should not affect anything with football anyways.

On the contrary, I believe it shows that the advantages given to the parochials is being well taken care of.

rmolin73;599991 wrote:Yeah track and field does not touch wrestling it may be due to the number of days held 2 and the venue size which only holds 10,000. The number last year was 25,275 for track and field.

Plus, is that 25K the total attendence between boys AND girls?

sherm03;600060 wrote:Who gives a crap about basketball, wrestling, track, baseball, swimming, volleyball, golf, bowling, etc. anyways? What do these numbers have to do with the private schools being separated or hit with a multiplier in FOOTBALL?

Go into those forums with your titles for each one of those and talk about how the privates should be moved up and out in those sports. Those numbers should not affect anything with football anyways.

Right. Maybe the whinerbrigade re-read your elegant and data-laden posts from over the past couple weeks and concluded the 'case' they had on football was weak. And so moved on to swimming and wrestling. Oddly enough, and a bit ironically, the data uncovered there only proves your point more: it's a small number of top programs that produce consistently and public/private is in no way the obvious causal variable, even if private schools might have some 'advantage' around better general discipline and/or stronger sense of community which can help a coach accrete the many factors needed to make a program perform year after year.

That said, I have to hand it to skank for coming clean and confessing that he could imagine that maybe once every ten or twenty years that an Orrville or an Ironton might compete with his mighty Tigers. Now that was never the point, as the debate (at least I thought) was strictly about whether the publics like Orrville and ironton and Massillon should be forced to compete for a 'state championship' which would go to the team that beat all the teams except for a handful of the best programs of their size, or whatever you would print on the juice box / trophy. That's the topic. Near as I can tell it's case closed. Not sure many folks want to spend time chasing down rumors of "recruiting" in swimming, but all interested should have at it.