skank;689425 wrote:It is well documented that when Moeller was in their prime, they were getting kids from 3 or 4 states. St. Ignatius has been getting kids from ALL OVER the Cleveland area for years, Rocky River, Brecksville, Painesville, Strongsville. Mooney/Ursuline = Boardman, Fitch, Campbell. We all know the St. V. situation. These are hand picked kids, it's not just like they show up for the first day of contact and the coach says, "damn, looks like we found us a football player".

skank;689425 wrote: These are hand picked kids, it's not just like they show up for the first day of contact and the coach says, "damn, looks like we found us a football player".

Al Bundy;690123 wrote:Is that what the Massillon coach says when kids transfer there?

sherm03;689428 wrote:Yep...you're right. And when Mooney went 5-5, 0-10, and 5-5 in 2000, 2001, and 2002...that was because there were budget cuts in the scouting department, right?

sherm03;689265 wrote:I'm sure there were complaints from Austintown. But there wasn't outcry from everyone else. There wasn't a widespread branding of Harding as cheaters and recruiters. But if MoC had come to Mooney instead of Harding, every person in the area (and most people around the state) would have said that Mooney cheated and recruited him and blah blah blah.

Again, way to avoid the question. Why is it OK for a kid to transfer to an open enrollment school, but you don't feel that it's OK for a kid to transfer to a parochial school?

skank;689425 wrote:It is well documented that when Moeller was in their prime, they were getting kids from 3 or 4 states.

sherm03;689428 wrote:Yep...you're right. And when Mooney went 5-5, 0-10, and 5-5 in 2000, 2001, and 2002...that was because there were budget cuts in the scouting department, right?

Dean Wormer;690730 wrote:Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!

Al Bundy;690652 wrote:Pot meet kettle. Wasn't your star "transfer" from another state last year?

Dean Wormer;690730 wrote:Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!

Dean Wormer;690730 wrote:Massilon must have cut their budget too. It must have started around 1972. That's when the playoffs started in Ohio and they haven't won a championship yet!

skank;690810 wrote:And....We're right back to square one where we started. Coincidently, that's about the time that the advantages given to the parochials became apparent.

Al Bundy;690877 wrote:Which advantages were given to parochials?

Al Bundy;690877 wrote:Which advantages were given to parochials?

sherm03;690892 wrote:The advantage of playing against teams who are a bunch of whiners and look for excuses as to why they lost instead of working harder to get better.

sherm03;690892 wrote:The advantage of playing against teams who are a bunch of whiners and look for excuses as to why they lost instead of working harder to get better.

skank;690899 wrote:And we're back to repeating comments already on pages 4, 16, 21, 22, 23, 34, 41, 42, 46, 47, 48, 52, 53, 58, 62, 64, 68, 71.

sherm03;690920 wrote:You mean like the comments you repeated throughout the whole thread?

skank;690917 wrote: Sherman has made it clear that it has nothing to do with the fact that most parochial schools are getting kids from, in some cases, 7 counties, and in other cases, 3 states.

fish82;691146 wrote:Cases?? Any other examples other than one school for a two-year period almost 30 years ago? Careful there skank...I'd hate for this conversation to drift toward the methods used to win those 22 titles you're so fond of.

But for the record...you wouldn't have won either game even if they didn't have those five kids. Their backups were better than most of the players you had on the field.

skank;690917 wrote:Ok, mods....I believe you can now close the thread....sherman has figured it all out, things are settled, if only we had known years ago, things would be more level right now.

Obviously,

1) Parochial school kids run harder during conditioning.
2) Parochial school kids lift harder in the weight room.
3) Parochial school kids want to win more than their public school counterparts.




I concede, I can't wait to tell the public school coaches that all they have to do is work harder....I's like having one of those easy buttons.

ManO'War;691417 wrote:I went to the Massillon vs Moeller game at PBTS in the early 90's...forget what year, but it was the game when Moeller hit the screen pass over the middle for a 60 yard TD with under a minute to go to win the game.

I sat in the Moeller section because that is where my tickets were, and I was talking to the dad of a Moeller defensive back...he was from North Hills in Pittsburgh, and they sent their son down to live with a friend so he could play for Moeller.