Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

Home ▸ Archive ▸ High School Football ▸ Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football
sherm03's avatar

sherm03

I go balls deep.

7,349 posts
Jan 25, 2011 11:24 PM
rmolin73;653548 wrote:I'm trying to understand this logic as well.

Ya...sorry. I didn't even see your post basically asking the same question.

I just feel like if the proposal doesn't pass, how could the minority be that big of a threat for separate playoffs?
Jan 25, 2011 11:24pm
rmolin73's avatar

rmolin73

Senior Member

4,278 posts
Jan 25, 2011 11:36 PM
Now maybe thats the change we should be embracing.
Jan 25, 2011 11:36pm
A

Alma_Parker

Senior Member

103 posts
Jan 26, 2011 8:39 AM
It doesn't have much to do with football, but it is odd that you think that the second school would immediately be 'failing' upon absorbing the other school's students. Do you imply that they would have to take the administrators and union teachers as well and immediately dumb down the students and staff they already have? This is like saying when a strong company with good management and top employees takes over a weaker company with weaker management, by necessity, their performace will decay.
Jan 26, 2011 8:39am
A

Alma_Parker

Senior Member

103 posts
Jan 26, 2011 8:44 AM
OrrvilleQB;636631 wrote:Plus you are more likely to find a "football player" than a 6'10" or 7' basketball player....of course the football player is more common than the extremely tall basketball player. High school baseball is a joke, and for the real baseball players, it is merely justa preseason to their travel ball 85 game schedule they play over the summer. Football also brings in the most money to the schools, That is why they focus more on football.

Take a look at the private schools, they do usually focus more on 1 sport.

Actually they tend to look at more than sports. Excellence is excellence. Often these same schools produce better debaters and chess players and violilnists, to go along with their better football. Each school has their own mix of sports and other extracurriculars, the things they emphasize the most and have the best coaches and advisers in, but as many folks on here have said many times, it's about excellence, which is more about an approach and leadership than it is about numbers or "cheating." If you took this whole debate and used it to try and figure out why Xavier was better, year after year, at, say, mock trial, than Massillon (I don't even know if this is true, by the way, just seems like a good guess), it would quickly become obvious why this is a bit of a silly debate.
Jan 26, 2011 8:44am
redstreak one's avatar

redstreak one

Senior Member

1,152 posts
Jan 26, 2011 9:32 AM
Are their kids in public schools that wouldnt be welcome at a private school money or not? If you answer yes, then there is a reason for this debate.
Jan 26, 2011 9:32am
T

Thinthickbigred

Senior Member

4,148 posts
Jan 26, 2011 9:46 AM
Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

Looks like I nailed that one pretty good weeks before the Championships.
Jan 26, 2011 9:46am
T

Thinthickbigred

Senior Member

4,148 posts
Jan 26, 2011 9:49 AM
Thinthickbigred;563844 wrote:Its just not fair for smaller public schools to play teams like Ursulin . Ursulin could very well win D-1 this year and should be in the top 25 in the USA today . They play the best team in D-5 this week and it will not be close

Again I said this weeks before the title games
Jan 26, 2011 9:49am
sherm03's avatar

sherm03

I go balls deep.

7,349 posts
Jan 26, 2011 10:09 AM
What can we say ThinThick, you are Nostradamus. We should all bow down to your wealth of football knowledge.

An honest question for you. If this proposal forced Steubenville up a division, would you still be all for it?
Jan 26, 2011 10:09am
rmolin73's avatar

rmolin73

Senior Member

4,278 posts
Jan 26, 2011 12:37 PM
Everybody in the state pretty much predicted who would win D5,D6, those were gimme's as well as D2. Am I special now as well:D
Jan 26, 2011 12:37pm
D

Dean Wormer

Senior Member

333 posts
Jan 26, 2011 7:13 PM
Viking;653015 wrote:Not all. Follow the formula in the proposal, just ramp up the multipliers and dividers a little more. I don't think that schools like Mooney belong below D II. If a school struggles after a 4 year period they can move down if needed.
And in that 4 year period he hopes his school wins a championship. If not we just ramp up the multiplier some more. What a crock of crap. I have to watch my language because I've been warned that I may use some colorful language.
Jan 26, 2011 7:13pm
V

Viking

Senior Member

350 posts
Jan 26, 2011 8:40 PM
sherm03;653555 wrote:Ya...sorry. I didn't even see your post basically asking the same question.

I just feel like if the proposal doesn't pass, how could the minority be that big of a threat for separate playoffs?

Many people feel that the proposal is a step in the right direction, but some feel that it doesn't go far enough and others feel that it is too complicated. The majority of schools want change (see the article in the Warren Tribune). The proposal is a compromise. If this compromise fails, the push will be for separate playoffs.
Jan 26, 2011 8:40pm
rmolin73's avatar

rmolin73

Senior Member

4,278 posts
Jan 26, 2011 9:11 PM
From who? Please tell us. If it does not go the way the small collective of schools want like I had stated they will not break away. They will not win in having seperate tournaments. Just a hypothetical if there were seperate private/public tournaments I guarantee you the multiplier or the competitive fairness proposals will be dead. Then you will see the Hilliard Davidson, Mentor, Glenvilles, Colerain, and Huber Heights dominate D1. Southview, Maple Heights, Trotwood, Winton Woods, and Anderson dominate D2. D3 will be dominated by Steubenville, Buchtel, and others. D4 will be Chagrin Falls, Kenton. D5-D6 will be owned by the MAC. These teams will just add to their trophy cases. So be careful what you ask for. Which wont happen.
Jan 26, 2011 9:11pm
A

Alma_Parker

Senior Member

103 posts
Jan 26, 2011 10:08 PM
Thinthickbigred;642636 wrote:What is the mission of the catholic diocese?
Answer...Money money money and more money and some change and some more money and football is a cash cow so more money and more Bingo and more money and gold and money and then some more money and money ... Oh I forgot there is more than one diocese... But I think the mission statement is the same ..... Money money money and more money...

i used to try and figure out why you were so hard to follow. hmm.. maybe he's obfuscating inentionally... maybe he's slow... maybe he's up too late... then it hit me that just maybe you had a tinge of anti-catholic rage from your childhood (or somewhere) that caused your postings to be so hard to make sense of. you shucked and jived and denied. but now (maybe you've stayed up way past your bedtime) you've let down your guard and made it clear: you aren't really on the same topic as the more luculent folks on here (whichever their side, whatever their approach); you're simply on an anti-cathoic rant thinly veiled as intermittent logic. seems like bad news at first but not really, as we can all just skip your postings from now on, especially those of us who are here mostly due to our support for excellent public programs. i guess you'll save a few byte and pixels if you just stop posting completely, but you don't need to worry about saving anybody time or mental cycles; nobody will be reading. please go hate somebody else someplace else.
Jan 26, 2011 10:08pm
A

Alma_Parker

Senior Member

103 posts
Jan 26, 2011 10:10 PM
sherm03;648263 wrote:D5 is 125-176.

sherm, you are clearly the quant king of the group. can you help me figure out what would happen to ironton in this scheme? does D-IV have any major arrivals or departures, near as you can tell?
Jan 26, 2011 10:10pm
sherm03's avatar

sherm03

I go balls deep.

7,349 posts
Jan 26, 2011 10:43 PM
Alma_Parker;654659 wrote:sherm, you are clearly the quant king of the group. can you help me figure out what would happen to ironton in this scheme? does D-IV have any major arrivals or departures, near as you can tell?

I would be glad to help ya out there.

Ironton
Open enrollment*:
182 x 6% = +11
Free Lunch:
179 x 10% = -18
Tradition:
2009: 182 x 6% = +11
2010: 182 x 6% = +11
Total:
182 + 11 + 22 - 18 = 197
*Only factored in if Ironton brings in more than they lose through open enrollment.

Ironton will still stay in D4.

There would be a lot of movement in this division. Ursuline and Coldwater will be bumped up from D5 because they were both in the D5 title game in 2009 and 2010. So both will get bumped up into D4. At the same time Alter, Chagrin Falls, and Bishop Hartley will all be bumped up out of D4 and into D3. Those are the main movements that I see happening at first glance. There could be others.
Jan 26, 2011 10:43pm
A

Alma_Parker

Senior Member

103 posts
Jan 27, 2011 8:21 AM
If you say it every year it's bound to be true eventually. You still can't spell either one. (Figured it was a typo back in 1979 when you and Kreskin came up with your theories... but if you aren't fixing the typos now, it has to be you just don't see 'em.) I bet "ursulin" and "delphose" beat your school in spelling bees, too.
Jan 27, 2011 8:21am
A

Alma_Parker

Senior Member

103 posts
Jan 27, 2011 8:29 AM
sherm03;654728 wrote:I would be glad to help ya out there.

Ironton
Open enrollment*:
182 x 6% = +11
Free Lunch:
179 x 10% = -18
Tradition:
2009: 182 x 6% = +11
2010: 182 x 6% = +11
Total:
182 + 11 + 22 - 18 = 197
*Only factored in if Ironton brings in more than they lose through open enrollment.

Ironton will still stay in D4.

There would be a lot of movement in this division. Ursuline and Coldwater will be bumped up from D5 because they were both in the D5 title game in 2009 and 2010. So both will get bumped up into D4. At the same time Alter, Chagrin Falls, and Bishop Hartley will all be bumped up out of D4 and into D3. Those are the main movements that I see happening at first glance. There could be others.

Thanks Sherm.... this is really helpful. First blush would seem to be 'no change.' (Those most-prominent teams moving in and out don't seem so different, and presumably, folks like Heath, Alder, Alter, etc. are still around). Lot's of complexity, a few frying pans swapped out for a few fires. Not much change really for the folks who've been focused on football the whole time. If anything, the only folks it really changes for are the conspiracy theorists who have to change their argument from 'we need two systems' to 'we need to change the multipliers.'
Jan 27, 2011 8:29am
S

Sonofanump

Jan 28, 2011 3:49 PM
It would be funny if some 5-5 or 6-4 team from the MAC qualifies for the playoffs and steam rolls everyone left in the lower divisions. It will all come down to luck now, hoping the year before the team does not make the playoffs and having one good year.
Jan 28, 2011 3:49pm
Heretic's avatar

Heretic

Son of the Sun

18,820 posts
Jan 28, 2011 3:54 PM
Sonofanump;656799 wrote:It would be funny if some 5-5 or 6-4 team from the MAC qualifies for the playoffs and steam rolls everyone left in the lower divisions. It will all come down to luck now, hoping the year before the team does not make the playoffs and having one good year.

If that happens, something will be passed declaring that ALL MAC schools have to go up a level because that conference is too good for the rest of the state. Eventually half the conference will be D-1.
Jan 28, 2011 3:54pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Jan 28, 2011 4:36 PM
Finally found a picture of "Viking".

http://www.despair.com/idemandjustice.html
Jan 28, 2011 4:36pm
T

Thinthickbigred

Senior Member

4,148 posts
Feb 2, 2011 11:23 AM
All I can say is its obvious there is a problem or the OHSAA wouldnt be making moves ... Atleast its a start
Feb 2, 2011 11:23am
sherm03's avatar

sherm03

I go balls deep.

7,349 posts
Feb 2, 2011 12:55 PM
Thinthickbigred;661977 wrote:All I can say is its obvious there is a problem or the OHSAA wouldnt be making moves ... Atleast its a start

Really? We went 4+ days without a post on this thread and THAT'S the post you make to bring it back to the top?

smh
Feb 2, 2011 12:55pm
S

Sonofanump

Feb 2, 2011 1:31 PM
The tradition part of this formula is the biggest farce of it all.
Feb 2, 2011 1:31pm
T

Thinthickbigred

Senior Member

4,148 posts
Feb 2, 2011 3:37 PM
sherm03;662132 wrote:Really? We went 4+ days without a post on this thread and THAT'S the post you make to bring it back to the top?

smh
I win
Feb 2, 2011 3:37pm