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loganelmdad

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Feb 14, 2011 8:09 AM
At the pin cancer meet at C-ville there was a guy with a video camera, anyone know if the matches are going to be uploaded and to where?
Feb 14, 2011 8:09am
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CoachTim

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Feb 14, 2011 9:44 AM
loganelmdad;677688 wrote:At the pin cancer meet at C-ville there was a guy with a video camera, anyone know if the matches are going to be uploaded and to where?

It was on CGTV5. Not sure of the schedule and how many times it will be playing...
Feb 14, 2011 9:44am
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cradle3

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Feb 14, 2011 9:53 AM
Circleville was up around 9-1 or so at the begininng of the 1st. The F.U. boy had established a lead late in the 3rd, somewhere in the ball park of 17-16. Circleville takes a timeout (which lasts forever), they go back in & Circleville has regained energy. The DQ came when F.U. was kicking his opponent out & the opponent was unable to base up.
Feb 14, 2011 9:53am
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decath

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Feb 14, 2011 10:42 AM
All-League Honors

103: 1.Cummings (CV), 2.Nace (TV), 3.Shannon(AC)
112: 1.Brady (CW), 2.King (TV), 3. Collier (FU)
119: 1.Laux (LE), 2. Morehart (TV), 3. Napier (HT)
125: 1.Ankrom (BC) MWW!!! 2.Dilley (AC), 3.Hutchins
130: 1.Tullius (CW), 2.Nace (TV), 3.Kern (CV)
135: 1.Boswell (CW) 2.Dunn (TV) 3.Holloway (CV)
140: 1.Luft (TV), 2.T.Koehl (HT) 3. Corns (AC)
145: 1.Oehlers (FU), 2.Griffith (TV), 3.Pinstock (AC)
152: 1.Gibson (BC), 2.Foreman (AC), 3.Perez (HT)
160: 1.Tipton (AC), 2.Otero (CV), 3.Calloway (CW)
171: 1.Leidecker (TV), 2.Fox (LE), 3.Minnard (AC)
189: 1.Chenetski (AC), 2.Crum (HT), 3.Noice (FU)
215: 1.Tucker (HT), 2.Genders (AC), 3.Eveland (LE)
285: 1.Settles (HT), 2.Pressley (CW), 3.Ford (CV)
Feb 14, 2011 10:42am
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loganelmdad

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Feb 14, 2011 10:54 AM
CoachTim;677758 wrote:It was on CGTV5. Not sure of the schedule and how many times it will be playing...

Thanks!
Feb 14, 2011 10:54am
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Dad4Sports

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1,779 posts
Feb 14, 2011 11:00 AM
Nice job by the AC coaches ducking Ankrom on Sat....guess they really wanted that 2nd place league finish for Dilley (didn't wrestle Ankrom or Hutchins)
Feb 14, 2011 11:00am
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loganelmdad

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Feb 14, 2011 11:20 AM
decath;677829 wrote:All-League Honors

103: 1.Cummings (CV), 2.Nace (TV), 3.Shannon(AC)
112: 1.Brady (CW), 2.King (TV), 3. Collier (FU)
119: 1.Laux (LE), 2. Morehart (TV), 3. Napier (HT)
125: 1.Ankrom (BC) MWW!!! 2.Dilley (AC), 3.Hutchens
130: 1.Tullius (CW), 2.Nace (TV), 3.Kern (CV)
135: 1.Boswell (CW) 2.Dunn (TV) 3.Holloway (CV)
140: 1.Luft (TV), 2.T.Koehl (HT) 3. Corns (AC)
145: 1.Oehlers (FU), 2.Griffith (TV), 3.Pinstock (AC)
152: 1.Gibson (BC), 2.Foreman (AC), 3.Perez (HT)
160: 1.Tipton (AC), 2.Otero (CV), 3.Calloway (CW)
171: 1.Leidecker (TV), 2.Fox (LE), 3.Minnard (AC)
189: 1.Chenetski (AC), 2.Crum (HT), 3.Noice (FU)
215: 1.Tucker (HT), 2.Genders (AC), 3.Eveland (LE)
285: 1.Settles (HT), 2.Pressley (CW), 3.Ford (CV)
Where were these posted from? Surprised no Davis from Circleville at 135,Macioce at 125, or Cowell at 135 since he beat both#2 and #3 Saturday. Maybe selected before Saturday and just now posted.
Feb 14, 2011 11:20am
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Headoutside

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Feb 14, 2011 11:32 AM
Best way to determine all league honors is have them wrestle in a tournament. There is way to many intangibles with this method. Many if not all teams move guys around in order to win the dual meet. There would be numerous changes to the honored wrestlers under a tournament format. Hutchens would pin Dilley, Nace has beaten Tullius numerous times outside of the league. Emmonds didnt have enough matches to get a ranking. There are many more examples this is just a quick few.
Feb 14, 2011 11:32am
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CoachTim

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Feb 14, 2011 12:38 PM
Headoutside;677927 wrote:Best way to determine all league honors is have them wrestle in a tournament. There is way to many intangibles with this method. Many if not all teams move guys around in order to win the dual meet. There would be numerous changes to the honored wrestlers under a tournament format. Hutchens would pin Dilley, Nace has beaten Tullius numerous times outside of the league. Emmonds didnt have enough matches to get a ranking. There are many more examples this is just a quick few.

Correct. There is no good way to rank kids in the league by weight when every team moves kids around each week to get a team win. But there is no better way to determine a true MSL Team champion that Round Robbin duals like we do now. The focus is on team's. Individual rankings is just a byproduct from the team duals.
Feb 14, 2011 12:38pm
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Dad4Sports

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1,779 posts
Feb 14, 2011 12:45 PM
loganelmdad;677912 wrote:Where were these posted from? Surprised no Davis from Circleville at 135,Macioce at 125, or Cowell at 135 since he beat both#2 and #3 Saturday. Maybe selected before Saturday and just now posted.
Nope.....meeting was yesterday. No coaches vote....went strictly by the criteria set forth in the bylaws.....whatever those are
Feb 14, 2011 12:45pm
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keato5

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145 posts
Feb 14, 2011 1:27 PM
If there was a tourney I believe this is how is might of played out!
103 Cummings
112 King or Brady
119 Knul or Morehart
125 Ankrom
130 Nace
135: Boswell
140: Luft
145: Pinstock
152: Otero
160: Tipton
171: Leidecker
189: Chenetski
215: Genders
285: Settles
Feb 14, 2011 1:27pm
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CoachTim

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Feb 14, 2011 1:58 PM
keato5;678104 wrote:If there was a tourney I believe this is how is might of played out!
103 Cummings
112 King or Brady
119 Knul or Morehart
125 Ankrom
130 Nace
135: Boswell
140: Luft
145: Pinstock
152: Otero
160: Tipton
171: Leidecker
189: Chenetski
215: Genders
285: Settles

What is the date of this imaginary tournament?
145 Dietrich was 2-0 against Pinkstock before he broke his hand. (actually 1-0 before the break, 1-0 after the break and before the cast was put on)
189 Ford was 1-1 with Chenetski. The win was in OT at LE, and The loss in the duals was the match that put him out with his injury. (Both very good wrestlers)

I think you are pretty accurate.
About 10 of the 14 weights would not have changed if it was a bracket.
Feb 14, 2011 1:58pm
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rassler

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159 posts
Feb 14, 2011 2:04 PM
Where has USMCdevil been? He is usually all over the MSL thread.
Feb 14, 2011 2:04pm
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loganelmdad

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62 posts
Feb 14, 2011 2:07 PM
keato5;678104 wrote:If there was a tourney I believe this is how is might of played out!
103 Cummings
112 King or Brady
119 Knul or Morehart
125 Ankrom
130 Nace
135: Boswell
140: Luft
145: Pinstock
152: Otero
160: Tipton
171: Leidecker
189: Chenetski
215: Genders
285: Settles

I think you are pretty close with those choices. I guess we will never know.
Feb 14, 2011 2:07pm
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 14, 2011 2:08 PM
rassler;678159 wrote:Where has USMCdevil been? He is usually all over the MSL thread.
Maybe having a bit of indigestion from eating that plate of crow.....

Just kiddin' with ya......love the fact that he never is afraid to state his opinion.....no PC crap for him!
Feb 14, 2011 2:08pm
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 14, 2011 2:15 PM
D4Sports Imaginary Tournament....

103: Cummings
112: Brady
119: Knul
125: Ankrom/Hutchins
130: Boswell
135: Davis
140: Luft
145: Oehlers/Griffith/Pinstock
152: Gibson
160: Tipton/Otero
171: Leidecker
189: Chenetski/Crum
215: Tucker
285: Settles/Pressley
Feb 14, 2011 2:15pm
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Gman

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111 posts
Feb 14, 2011 3:19 PM
Well since we do not have a tourney to decide individual won't sectionals then districts bring out the best of the best . What I mean is kids will be at their respected weight they do well at sectionals then you may see them face each other at districts since schools are going to different sectionals.
Feb 14, 2011 3:19pm
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Dad4Sports

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1,779 posts
Feb 14, 2011 3:41 PM
Gman;678292 wrote:Well since we do not have a tourney to decide individual won't sectionals then districts bring out the best of the best . What I mean is kids will be at their respected weight they do well at sectionals then you may see them face each other at districts since schools are going to different sectionals.
Not really....teams will be all over the map for district

Teays Valley D1 Hilliard Darby
Canal Winchester D2 East
Hamilton Township D2 East
Circleville D2 Goshen
Logan Elm D2 Goshen
Fairfield Union D2 Goshen
Amanda Clearcreek D3 Coshocton
Bloom Carroll D3 Coshocton
Feb 14, 2011 3:41pm
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Gman

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111 posts
Feb 14, 2011 3:47 PM
I forgot the division differences thanks!
Feb 14, 2011 3:47pm
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Gale_force

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Feb 14, 2011 5:47 PM
loganelmdad;677912 wrote:Where were these posted from? Surprised no Davis from Circleville at 135,Macioce at 125, or Cowell at 135 since he beat both#2 and #3 Saturday. Maybe selected before Saturday and just now posted.
I agree, no disrespect to the boys that are listed above, I'm certain they all deserve recognition, but how in the world does Davis get left out? I've seen this boy wrestle several times this year.
I know he wrestled against Lancaster and looked very good, surprised that he is not one of the 3 best 135's in the MSL....Did all 3 of 135ers beat Davis?
Feb 14, 2011 5:47pm
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bigdawg

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66 posts
Feb 14, 2011 6:04 PM
Gale_force;678536 wrote:I agree, no disrespect to the boys that are listed above, I'm certain they all deserve recognition, but how in the world does Davis get left out? I've seen this boy wrestle several times this year.
I know he wrestled against Lancaster and looked very good, surprised that he is not one of the 3 best 135's in the MSL....Did all 3 of 135ers beat Davis?
Gale_force, Davis is very good and I'm a little surprised that he isn't in the top 3 as well. I know he was out sick for a week or 2, not sure how many duals he missed...Maybe that's what happened. Also, the MSL is very strong this year, I would guess that at least the top 3 or 4 could have been competitive in the OCC this year... :)
Feb 14, 2011 6:04pm
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keato5

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145 posts
Feb 14, 2011 6:33 PM
Davis didnt get beat at 135, he wrestled up a couple times I think and might have missed a match or two.
Feb 14, 2011 6:33pm
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sparky305

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Feb 14, 2011 7:22 PM
Thats right keato. He wrestled 145 because detrich broke his hand and we did not have another to insert. Did not fair as well but did so to try and help win a team title.
Feb 14, 2011 7:22pm
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 14, 2011 7:50 PM
sparky305;678619 wrote:Thats right keato. He wrestled 145 because detrich broke his hand and we did not have another to insert. Did not fair as well but did so to try and help win a team title.

Coaches vote is the way to go.....sure there would be some arguments, but it would be way more accurate than this criteria thing they used. In league duals, kids are moved all over the place in the line-up to help maximize the "team" results. But then we turn around and use those same results to determine individual awards? Sort of like mixing apples and oranges......

The coaches know who the best kids are in most cases.......
Feb 14, 2011 7:50pm
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keato5

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145 posts
Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM
Agreed it doesnt make sense! Perfect example Hutchins is behind Dilley...... Dilley is a good wrestler but Hutchins is probably on the podium at state this year. I just think its unfair to the kids. If every coach would go into thinking who would I take at each weight class if I had to choose an all-star team....They could easily do the job.
Feb 14, 2011 8:21pm