Oh, where do I start? LOL
Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:Your post is funny. Confused, but funny in its own way. First, not sure who 'sunshine' might be, but it's not me. If it was your effort to be folksy and cute, try at least switching up a bit and not using it twice in one post; you must be able to think of something else, chief.
I'll remember that next time, princess. Thanks for the tip.
Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:As for 1927, of course we don't have to go back that far, but when you are part of a program which features long-term success rather than a few good years here and there, you tend to gravitate towards a longer term view. Lots of teams can put together a nice streak of wins based on the right kids coming along. Heck, a really strong class can make a winner out of you for three or four years (might explain Logan's recent run in the sun). But to sustain a long-term winning program requires different things from the coaches and from the fans, not just a handful of athletes.
I know you want to focus on a flash of some good years and, in particular, the time when the Tigers were recovering from their misadventure without Coach Lutz and his staff. You can have that if you wish: if you wait long enough almost anything can happen! What's perhaps more instructive, though, is to examine a variety of time periods. So let's try neither your flash in the pan nor my original all-in view. Let's try last 10 games: Ironton 6 wins, Logan 4. Hmm, how about last 15 games: Ironton 10 wins, Logan 5. Hmm. Guess it's hard to find any other period aside from the brief pop you are so focused on. Again, programs that don't produce steadily do need these flashes to hang on to, so I can see your side. But let's not attempt to put Logan in the same category with Ironton. I mean, come on, Ironton has shut Logan out 12 times while Logan has never shut Ironton out. On the other end, Ironton has had more high-scoring games (I picked >27 points but you can pick basically any cutoff you want) 10 times, while Logan has had only 2. Slice and dice the data any way you wish, it comes up Tigers.
Now, although I do respect Ironton's tradition and history, which, they should be proud of, I just tend to focus on things during MY lifetime at least is all. If it didn't happen before I attended high school, I frankly don't care about it. That's all. And during that time, Logan has seen much success over Ironton. Say what you want, keep counting them numbers from 1792.
By the way...you may want to recheck that! Logan has shut Ironton out!!!!....
once. LOL
Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:As for your allergy to my pointing out that the Tigers continue to whup Logan while drawing from 1/3 of the kids, sorry to touch a nerve. Ironton does like to play above its head more than you are used to (using this year as an example Ironton played up by division twice as often as they played down, while Logan played down more than up!), so they show by example that they aren't afraid to play much bigger teams. They expect to win their fair share even when playing bigger schools from bigger towns. By definition, it should be a surprise when they win the majority of these games. Meanwhile, if they were playing schools with a third of the enrollment (like Logan is when they play Ironton) (and they don't do this), I don't think you'd see them crowing when they managed to put together a couple victories. I mean would you be impressed if Ironton were bragging about beating Portsmouth Notre Dame? Numbers are something to be proud of when you're playing up and winning; less-so when you're playing down and winning.
Wait, in order to 'continue to whup' Logan, wouldn't you have had to at least won in the last 10 years? Did you 'whup' Logan in the past? Yep. Sure did. No denying that. But do they continue to 'whup' Logan? Nope, Logan has done the 'whupping'. So you think Logan is 'afraid' to play up? Nah, sorry, it's all about the league there. Look at all their NON LEAGUE games. They play D1 schools. Logan isn't 'afraid' to play anyone if that's what you're suggesting. They don't have a choice but to play down when that's what most of the league consists of. Due to the location, if Logan wants to be in a league, they have no other option then to be in the SEOAL. Do I like that? Nah, not really. But it is what it is. Nobody else would take us in just b/c of where Logan is located.
On the numbers, I'll just let my post above speak for itself. 'Numbers don't matter'...remember? We hear that all the time from Ironton folk. Now, when you are butt hurt because you haven't beat us anytime lately, then you want to throw the 'numbers' excuse out there. LOL Smh. Make up our minds! Which is it? Numbers matter? Or don't they?? Let's face it, anyone is going to toot there horn, even a D1 school, when they have success over a program like Ironton. Get over it.
Alma_Parker;554788 wrote:Finally, on the league, I happen to understand that pretty well. If you notice, Ironton isn't in a league. They've been in and out of a couple different schemes during the Lutz era, both the SEOAL and the KY/WV/OH version of the OVC. Problem is that they could have outstanding regular season records and a lot of fun in both of those leagues and even got some good games, but neither had the broad schedule quality which would assure them that going even 10-0 would position them well in playoffs. I'm sure you've not experienced it, but going 9-1 or 10-0 and staying home for the playoffs because you're beating Logan and Jackson but then they are in a league where by definition the average record is 50/50 is frustrating. These days Ironton can go 8-2 and still land on top of their region, which let's them show their stuff on a state-wide basis, which is even more fun than beating Logan and Jackson and so forth 90% of the time for a few decades! Does any of this help you, moonshine?!
Ahhh..more excuses for the ol' cut and run b/c we can't win. I love it! Maybe you haven't noticed lately, but yet, Logan's had a few good records the last few years, so we know what going 9-1 or 10-0 can do for you. And guess what? Logan went 10-0 last year, correct? And where did that land them? Second in tough region with a home playoff game. 2 years ago? 10-0 landed us 3rd in that very same region. How about 3 years ago? 9-1 also put us 3rd in the region once again. So there goes that excuse of 'quality of schedule'! Let's see, so we've had travel, quality of schedule. NEXT! I'm sure there are more excuses...err..reasons. Lets hear 'em, cupcake! (Figured I would throw that one in there so I didn't use princess twice, hope you feel better.) Face it, Ironton couldn't win the league every year like they thought they were going to, so what happened? Just like everyone predicted. They tucked their tails and went home!
Travel was the main reason everyone said I-town was leaving, yet, you still play most of the SEOAL teams. Hmmmmm. Go figure huh? Ironton didn't come in to the league looking to be 'competitive' in the SEOAL. They thought they would come in and WIN it. And that just simply didn't happen. At all. So, what better way then to just go independent again, right? Then blame it on the travel? Yet, what? 5 games are still over a 2 hour drive..some even closer to 3? And they STILL decide to play half of the SEOAL. If you wanted to play the SEOAL so bad, why not just stay in the league?
Hope you enjoyed Chieftain Stadium!