Cleveland Buck;547411 wrote:Please show me the post or posts where I made that argument. I never said the mid majors can't be good or aren't good. I've only argued that we have no way of knowing if they are good. It is my opinion, based on Utah's performance against a substandard schedule, that if they played a real schedule, this Utah team would finish around 6-6 or 7-5.

Zombaypirate;547415 wrote:Good thing we have bowl games we will find out if what you say is even remotely close to truth.

Can't wait for the precious BCS conference teams to draw Utah, TCU and Boise St. I guess then we will find out if they can compete or not.

Cleveland Buck;547414 wrote:Boise still has 4 nonconference games. They could schedule 4 road games in a row against big time programs. No one is going to give them a home game in return, and they shouldn't expect one.

gerb131;547419 wrote:One will get Va Tech so that doesn't count

gerb131;547421 wrote:How is Boise legit again? A luck play and a proposal over an overrated Oklahoma team?

Manhattan Buckeye;547449 wrote: In other words, what a team in a real conference is supposed to do every year, and still might not make the championship game.

Zombaypirate;547415 wrote:Good thing we have bowl games we will find out if what you say is even remotely close to truth.

Can't wait for the precious BCS conference teams to draw Utah, TCU and Boise St. I guess then we will find out if they can compete or not.

Mulva;547462 wrote:2006 Oregon State: 10-4
2006 Oklahoma*: 11-3
2008 Oregon: 10-3
2009 Oregon*: 10-3
2009 TCU*: 12-1
2010 Virginia Tech: 7-2
2010 Oregon State: 4-3

* = conference champs that year. There are 3 of them. That doesn't include Virginia Tech, 5-0 in the ACC this season.

Overall record in games not against Boise State: 64-12 (.842 winning pct)

If winning those games is what a team in a real conference is supposed to do every year, then there are pretty much no teams in college football doing what they are supposed to.

But obviously the haters are just gonna hate, so I'm done debating this.

Cleveland Buck;547478 wrote:Ok, if you're arbitrarily picking past games to piece together a decent schedule and show how impressive Boise State is, please include these. I'm sure will agree with whatever you come up with.

2005 Georgia 48, Boise State 13
2005 Oregon State 30, Boise State 27
2005 Fresno State 27, Boise State 7
2005 Boston College 27, Boise State 21
2007 Washington 24, Boise State 10
2007 Hawaii 39, Boise State 27
2007 East Carolina 41, Boise State 38
2008 TCU 17, Boise State 16

Little Danny;547472 wrote:I like how certain people come on here and talk about "real" conferences and "real" schedules. To use OSU as an example (because that is the team most on this board are fans of), nobody on their schedule is that much better than anyone TCU or Boise's schedule. The best team on OSU's schedule appears to be Wisconsin and frankly, I don't know if Wisconsin is that much better than Virginia Tech right now to be honest with you. Your next argument would be depth of teams but actually other than Wisconsin and Iowa, is there anybody else on OSU's schedule that is that much better than Boise's or TCU's schedule? I mean Miami is looking to be pretty lame this year (pulled a win out of their arse in the last minute against the juggernaut Maryland squad) and OSU had teams like E. Michigan, Ohio, Marshall, Indiana, Minnesota who would probably lose to TCU and Boise by about 4-5 TDs or more. Penn State, Northwestern and Illinois would likely be double digit dogs against the Broncos and Frogs.

Little Danny;547472 wrote:I like how certain people come on here and talk about "real" conferences and "real" schedules. To use OSU as an example (because that is the team most on this board are fans of), nobody on their schedule is that much better than anyone TCU or Boise's schedule. .

jordo212000;547485 wrote:Interestingly your list ends in 2008.

Cleveland Buck;547489 wrote:Wisconsin and Iowa are easily better than anyone Boise or TCU has played. Miami and Virginia Tech look pretty close, and Miami is playing without Harris. Illinois and Penn State would dominate every team in the WAC outside of Boise. Michigan might too. Indiana went 4-0 through their mid major schedule before going 0-5 in the Big Ten. Hell, on talent alone, Minnesota is better than every team in the WAC except Boise and Nevada.

Cleveland Buck;547492 wrote:Interestingly, his list starts in 2006.

Zombaypirate;547509 wrote:LMAO Yeah the way Penn St dominated Temple BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yeah Minnesota they really whipped on what was it North Dakota st? BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Pick6;547457 wrote:Is TCU this good or is Utah that overrated? ALso, I still think Boise is better than TCU based on Boise beating them last year and returning 21 of 22 starters