lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 28, 2009 11:24pm
Gerhart is a fine college running back but won't translate to the NFL, unless he plays fullback.
But Golden Tate was the best player on the field tonight. He's simply unreal. I've watched a lot of great WR's this year, but I was most impressed by Tate. His ability to come get the ball midair, make people miss, and soft hands are all extremely impressive.
But Golden Tate was the best player on the field tonight. He's simply unreal. I've watched a lot of great WR's this year, but I was most impressed by Tate. His ability to come get the ball midair, make people miss, and soft hands are all extremely impressive.
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mallymal614
Posts: 3,746
Nov 28, 2009 11:25pm
Yeah he did his thing!
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Nov 28, 2009 11:26pm
Agreed.
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paul_banks
Posts: 39
Nov 28, 2009 11:29pm
Why would he not translate as an NFL running back? I'm assuming because he's white, you automatically have to move him to fullback?
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Nov 28, 2009 11:34pm
Two words for you....Freddie Barnes.....ok seriously, Tate is the best reciever in the country.
I do think you're wrong about Gerhart. He may not have blazing speed, but he had adequate speed, a whole lot of power, and all heart.
I do think you're wrong about Gerhart. He may not have blazing speed, but he had adequate speed, a whole lot of power, and all heart.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Nov 28, 2009 11:34pm
Yep, he's a stud.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 28, 2009 11:37pm
Yeah, not sure why you'd assume he gets moved to FB?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 29, 2009 12:46am
In my opinion, I don't think Gerhart has the athleticism to succeed as a TB. I'm not a Gerhart hater, in fact, I've loved him since I was Stanford as a dynasty in NCAA '09, and drafted him on my fantasy college team this year. But I'm a realist. There are plenty of guys who are much more athletic than Gerhart who haven't panned out in the NFL.
Why does Gerhart need more athleticism in the NFL than NCAA? Because the tackling in the NFL is infinitely better than NCAA. And what running back in the NFL do you see use a knee brace that's successful? The fact he already has some knee issues doesn't bode well either. Yes Willis McGahee came back from a knee injury, but he's a lot more athletic than Gerhart. Gerhart thrives on breaking tackles in the NCAA that he won't be able to break in the NFL.
Why does Gerhart need more athleticism in the NFL than NCAA? Because the tackling in the NFL is infinitely better than NCAA. And what running back in the NFL do you see use a knee brace that's successful? The fact he already has some knee issues doesn't bode well either. Yes Willis McGahee came back from a knee injury, but he's a lot more athletic than Gerhart. Gerhart thrives on breaking tackles in the NCAA that he won't be able to break in the NFL.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Nov 29, 2009 1:19am
I think Gerhart is pretty athletic. Nothing wrong with a bruising running back who has good speed and great vision.
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Mr Pat
Posts: 519
Nov 29, 2009 1:24am
I absolutely love watching Golden Tate play. Here's hoping whoever the new coach is able to convince him to stay around!
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chief_wigam
Posts: 105
Nov 29, 2009 1:26am
IMO, Golden Tate has been the best player on the field in every game he has played this season.
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butkus51
Posts: 28
Nov 29, 2009 9:40am
I'm not sure Gerhart doesn't have the speed to be a great nfl back. He has run, according to reports, anywhere from 4.48 to 4.55. He is similar(although much better at this point) to former Stanford back Tommy Vardell. A little faster and more athletic than Vardell was. That said, it probably doesn't matter where he fits in the NFL. He's likely to be playing pro baseball.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 9:43am
Gerhart def wont be an NFL back
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Nov 29, 2009 9:46am
Care to share your reasons why? He's big, strong, pretty athletic, and has motor that never stops. What else do you want?Hb31187 wrote: Gerhart def wont be an NFL back
Not to mention he is obviously very intelligent if he is at Stanford.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 9:51am
Read the entire list of reaosns above.
Bad knees already and not really all that athletic.
Whats his 40 time( i know its not important but to the NFL and drafting players it sure is) Id assume in the high 4.5 range maybe low 4.6
The "motor that never stops" thing is about the most generic compliment for a football player. Sure he works hard so do 99% of college football players.
Id venture to say hes the 3rd or 4th best pro RB prospect in the Pac 10
Bad knees already and not really all that athletic.
Whats his 40 time( i know its not important but to the NFL and drafting players it sure is) Id assume in the high 4.5 range maybe low 4.6
The "motor that never stops" thing is about the most generic compliment for a football player. Sure he works hard so do 99% of college football players.
Id venture to say hes the 3rd or 4th best pro RB prospect in the Pac 10
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Nov 29, 2009 9:58am
Gerhart=John Riggins only Gerhart is more athletic.
I think Riggins did "alright"
I think Riggins did "alright"
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 9:59am
Yeah the NFL is the same as it was back then isnt it?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Nov 29, 2009 10:09am
Yeah you are right the Defenses were a lot better in Riggins day and there were fewer teams that SUCKED than now.Hb31187 wrote: Yeah the NFL is the same as it was back then isnt it?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 10:15am
Point being back then it was a perfect time for a big bruising not blazingly quick RB to thrive. Now the NFL is geared much more towards speed and athleticism
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Nov 29, 2009 10:22am
Perfect for Reggie Bush then right? Obviously there is no room for a Cedric Benson or a Brandon Jacobs to do well.Hb31187 wrote: Point being back then it was a perfect time for a big bruising not blazingly quick RB to thrive. Now the NFL is geared much more towards speed and athleticism
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 10:24am
Or perfect for a Chris Johnson, smartass.
And Cedric Benson is having 1 good year, i fully expect him to fizzle out again, as he started his career.
Brandon Jacobs isnt exactly having a stellar year either. Gerhart has size yes....but lets not compare that with Jacobs size.
Again, Gerhart is the 3rd best RB prospect in the pac10 at best, possibly 4th
And Cedric Benson is having 1 good year, i fully expect him to fizzle out again, as he started his career.
Brandon Jacobs isnt exactly having a stellar year either. Gerhart has size yes....but lets not compare that with Jacobs size.
Again, Gerhart is the 3rd best RB prospect in the pac10 at best, possibly 4th
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Nov 29, 2009 10:29am
I'm just pointing out where a player is a perfect fit(by your definition) to thrive in the NFL and has been a relative bust. While there are plenty of big bruiser backs who are doing fine.Hb31187 wrote: Or perfect for a Chris Johnson, smartass.
And Cedric Benson is having 1 good year, i fully expect him to fizzle out again, as he started his career.
Brandon Jacobs isnt exactly having a stellar year either. Gerhart has size yes....but lets not compare that with Jacobs size.
Again, Gerhart is the 3rd best RB prospect in the pac10 at best, possibly 4th
By the way, who are the better prospects?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 10:34am
Jahvid Best
Joe Mcknight
and Id put him just above...LeGarrete(sp) Blount. (projected as a 2nd rounder before the year, if he declares someone will surely look past his lapse in judgement against boise)
Not saying theyre having or have had better college careers. But I think scouts will see them as better
Joe Mcknight
and Id put him just above...LeGarrete(sp) Blount. (projected as a 2nd rounder before the year, if he declares someone will surely look past his lapse in judgement against boise)
Not saying theyre having or have had better college careers. But I think scouts will see them as better
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Nov 29, 2009 10:49am
Best....I'll give you that one.Hb31187 wrote: Jahvid Best
Joe Mcknight
and Id put him just above...LeGarrete(sp) Blount. (projected as a 2nd rounder before the year, if he declares someone will surely look past his lapse in judgement against boise)
Not saying theyre having or have had better college careers. But I think scouts will see them as better
McKnight...seriously? He hasn't lived up anywhere to the hype. He was supposed to be the next Reggie Bush, and is no where close. On top of that, Reggie hasn't exactly flourished like everybody though he would. Plus he has a fumbling problem and that will hurt is draft stock.
Blount....a big bruising back hmmmmm.....I thought you said the NFL was about speed. Add to the fact that the guy will only have played one game in the last year and half(by draft time) and obviously has character issues(besides the Boise State game), and I don't see any way a team takes a big chance early on him.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 29, 2009 10:54am
Best is easily the cream of the crop.
Mcknight is a flashy RB that Gm's seem to love picking up and taking chances on. Im not saying he'll pan out better then Gerhart because honestly the only one I see that for is Best, but I would not be surprised if hes picked above Gerhart. If he declares that is.
Thats why I said id put Gerhart above Blount, sitting out a whole year pretty much screws you. I dont think either Gerhart or Blount is going before the 4th or 5th round anyways
Mcknight is a flashy RB that Gm's seem to love picking up and taking chances on. Im not saying he'll pan out better then Gerhart because honestly the only one I see that for is Best, but I would not be surprised if hes picked above Gerhart. If he declares that is.
Thats why I said id put Gerhart above Blount, sitting out a whole year pretty much screws you. I dont think either Gerhart or Blount is going before the 4th or 5th round anyways