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Feb 2, 2011 9:56 PM
jordo212000;662667 wrote:The current number of teams who "can" win in the NBA has been roughly the same for a number of years. Fans interestingly never have a problem with this small number when they are apart of the small contingency. And frankly casual fans could care less about how many games the Milwaukee Bucks win. Casual fans want intriguing storylines along with superteams made up of superstars. The playoffs become infinitely more entertaining when you can watch good teams duking it out. Bucks vs. Raptors doesn't move the needle at all.

So says Jordo, the d bag of ohiochatter! Sorry I want good basketball through out the regular season and every round of the playoffs. I dont only watch the Conference finals and the chamionship. Nice fail.
Feb 2, 2011 9:56pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:04 PM
My opinion is the NBA is very close to screwing itself. You need star studded teams, but if Melo goes to NY, DHoward goes to LA, CP3, etc there's going to be a point that there aren't enough good teams to even show on TV. Maybe they will increase the number of times a team can be televised nationally but I doubt people will continue wanting to watch the Heat 60 times a year. Those games against the Celtics the first game of the year and against the Cavs were 1 time things.

Attendance is not going to increase, Lebron already sold out every arena on his own, I'm sure Wade did very well too, Bosh probably made Toronto and average draw. Now you have 82 road games between Cleveland and Toronto that nobody wants to see. Who's going to want to see Denver nd New Orleans next year or Phoenix this year? There are going to be a ton of owners losing money. They will have to do some big time revenue sharing to survive as a 30 team league.
Feb 2, 2011 10:04pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:04 PM
Commander of Awesome;662693 wrote:So says Jordo, the d bag of ohiochatter! Sorry I want good basketball through out the regular season and every round of the playoffs. I dont only watch the Conference finals and the chamionship. Nice fail.

Idk. The NBA has 3 to 5 teams every year that you know have a legit shot to win the title, everyone else is just a pretender. Last year you could basically pencil in the Lakers vs one of the Celtics, Cavs, or Magic. This year its about the same thing, except for switch the Cavs with the Heat and add the Spurs (if they can stay healthy) and maybe the Thunder to the list of teams from the Western Conference. The first few rounds of the playoffs are nice and everything and its fun to root for the Suns to knock off the Lakers in the conference finals, but at the end of the day you know who the realistic contenders are and who isn't.
Feb 2, 2011 10:04pm
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trep14

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Feb 2, 2011 10:07 PM
dave;662704 wrote:My opinion is the NBA is very close to screwing itself. You need star studded teams, but if Melo goes to NY, DHoward goes to LA, CP3, etc there's going to be a point that there aren't enough good teams to even show on TV. Maybe they will increase the number of times a team can be televised nationally but I doubt people will continue wanting to watch the Heat 60 times a year. Those games against the Celtics the first game of the year and against the Cavs were 1 time things.

Attendance is not going to increase, Lebron already sold out every arena on his own, I'm sure Wade did very well too, Bosh probably made Toronto and average draw. Now you have 82 road games between Cleveland and Toronto that nobody wants to see. Who's going to want to see Denver nd New Orleans next year or Phoenix this year? There are going to be a ton of owners losing money. They will have to do some big time revenue sharing to survive as a 30 team league.

I don't think it will be as bad as you are making it out to be. Other teams will step up and take their place. And there has been a recent infusion of young talent (guys like Rose, Griffin, Wall, Tyreke Evans, etc.) that could step up to take over that "must-see" status. In fact, Rose is already there and Griffin probably is too.
Feb 2, 2011 10:07pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:07 PM
Diehards are always going to attend/watch NBA games. Therefore, to grow any sport needs to attract casual fans. Casual fans largely do not care about the Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Grizz. Casual fans are the ones who move the needle, and as you can see when you look at when the NBA does well, it always is because 1-2 dominate teams are running roughshod through the league. People like watching greatness. Not mediocrity
Feb 2, 2011 10:07pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:07 PM
dave;662704 wrote:My opinion is the NBA is very close to screwing itself. You need star studded teams, but if Melo goes to NY, DHoward goes to LA, CP3, etc there's going to be a point that there aren't enough good teams to even show on TV. Maybe they will increase the number of times a team can be televised nationally but I doubt people will continue wanting to watch the Heat 60 times a year. Those games against the Celtics the first game of the year and against the Cavs were 1 time things.

Attendance is not going to increase, Lebron already sold out every arena on his own, I'm sure Wade did very well too, Bosh probably made Toronto and average draw. Now you have 82 road games between Cleveland and Toronto that nobody wants to see. Who's going to want to see Denver nd New Orleans next year or Phoenix this year? There are going to be a ton of owners losing money. They will have to do some big time revenue sharing to survive as a 30 team league.

Awesome point Dave. Pwn of the day.
Feb 2, 2011 10:07pm
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dave

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Feb 2, 2011 10:13 PM
jordo212000;662713 wrote:Diehards are always going to attend/watch NBA games. Therefore, to grow any sport needs to attract casual fans. Casual fans largely do not care about the Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Grizz. Casual fans are the ones who move the needle, and as you can see when you look at when the NBA does well, it always is because 1-2 dominate teams are running roughshod through the league. People like watching greatness. Not mediocrity

You are confusing ratings with attendance. The NBA does not make all their money on basically just TV like the NFL does. If a crappy team only plays 5-10 home games a year vs teams that people will pay to see, those owners aren't going to make money.
Feb 2, 2011 10:13pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:30 PM
Bulls are in LA tonight to face the Clippers.

Gonna have to find a link somewhere to watch this one.
Feb 2, 2011 10:30pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:33 PM
You don't get NBA TV?
Feb 2, 2011 10:33pm
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Feb 2, 2011 10:35 PM
Nope.


I did just purchase League Pass broadband half season though. The game tonight is blacked out. Which I don't really understand....
Feb 2, 2011 10:35pm
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Feb 2, 2011 11:05 PM
I wish I didn't have to be up at 6:45 cause I'd love to keep watching this game. Rose and Griffin both had good first quarters.
Feb 2, 2011 11:05pm
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Feb 2, 2011 11:11 PM
wildcats20;662741 wrote:Nope.


I did just purchase League Pass broadband half season though. The game tonight is blacked out. Which I don't really understand....
does atdhe.me not work for you?
Feb 2, 2011 11:11pm
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Feb 2, 2011 11:12 PM
Yeah it works.
Feb 2, 2011 11:12pm
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Feb 2, 2011 11:24 PM
D Rose vs Blake Griffin tonight is making me really happy.

MVP vs ROY and both guys doing work tonight
Feb 2, 2011 11:24pm
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Feb 2, 2011 11:29 PM
Griffin is ridiculous. Every single night.
Feb 2, 2011 11:29pm
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Feb 2, 2011 11:30 PM
He's got 21 points against the best defensive team in the NBA. I dont know how you stop a guy that can jump that high. He's everything Dwight Howard should be
Feb 2, 2011 11:30pm
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Feb 3, 2011 12:00 AM
The game is on NBA TV that's why it's not on NBA League Pass ... That's how it is when you buy the cable package too, I'm still going to miss 4 more Celtics games that are on NBA TV
Feb 3, 2011 12:00am
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Feb 3, 2011 3:31 AM
I am not sure if this would deserve its own thread but I am going to assume that anyone that would be interested in it would come here and see it...

Video of every NBA Slam Dunk Contest...

http://hoopism.com/?p=961

It also has the score of the dunk and color indication of missed/made attempt. Pretty cool to go back and watch them all again.
Feb 3, 2011 3:31am
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Feb 3, 2011 9:44 AM
People want to believe that because of a salary cap, the NBA should have parity and make all things equal, but that's just not true.

The larger market teams have more corporate sponsors, have bigger TV deals and can afford the luxury tax.

All NBA teams share the national TV deals with TNT and ESPN, and it is split evenly amongst them.

So, if the Knicks, Lakers, Clippers, Boston, Heat and Dallas are all the top teams in the NBA, and those are the teams everyone wants to watch not only does it benefit them, it can help the NBA overall because there is more demand for that National TV audience for the primetime games that TNT and ABC get.

Do the small market teams end up at a disadvantage? Yes, they do. But that's how the world works. It's survival of the fittest. But for the "casual" NBA fan, it's more enjoyable to watch the elite teams, rather than a watered down league.
Feb 3, 2011 9:44am
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Feb 3, 2011 10:08 AM
Contract at least 4 NBA teams and expand the D-League system,every team has a "Minor League" team much like MLB, and the overall level of play would increase greatly.
Feb 3, 2011 10:08am
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Feb 3, 2011 10:26 AM
osu45804;662825 wrote:The game is on NBA TV that's why it's not on NBA League Pass ... That's how it is when you buy the cable package too, I'm still going to miss 4 more Celtics games that are on NBA TV

Omg I thought you were going to contribute to this thread without mentioning the Celtics then you had to add that last little unnecessary tidbit about the Celtics that no one in the world cares about!
Feb 3, 2011 10:26am
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Feb 3, 2011 10:27 AM
Skyhook79;663008 wrote:Contract at least 4 NBA teams and expand the D-League system,every team has a "Minor League" team much like MLB, and the overall level of play would increase greatly.

Bottom 3 teams in the NBA get relegated to the D-League "league" and the top 3 D-League teams get promoted to the NBA...european futbol style!
Feb 3, 2011 10:27am
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Feb 3, 2011 10:53 AM
SportsAndLady;663047 wrote:Bottom 3 teams in the NBA get relegated to the D-League "league" and the top 3 D-League teams get promoted to the NBA...european futbol style!

I honestly think it would do wonders for this country, in baseball especially!

Have the 3 worst ML team get relegated...forces these cheap ass owners to spend. Then imagine the boost to the economies of the smaller cities that get major league talent into their cities. Every business would be effected in a positive way.

Make the AA teams the new minor league teams.
Feb 3, 2011 10:53am
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Feb 3, 2011 11:28 AM
SportsAndLady;663047 wrote:Bottom 3 teams in the NBA get relegated to the D-League "league" and the top 3 D-League teams get promoted to the NBA...european futbol style!
IDK, i would think the top 3 teams in the D-League would be the bottom 3 in the NBA the following year and vice versa for the bottom 3 NBA teams falling to the D-League.
Feb 3, 2011 11:28am
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Feb 3, 2011 11:31 AM
Skyhook79;663180 wrote:IDK, i would think the top 3 teams in the D-League would be the bottom 3 in the NBA the following year and vice versa for the bottom 3 NBA teams falling to the D-League.

Yeah you would think that. And I'm not sure if it's fair to compare it to european soccer, but everyone always thinks the teams promoted to the top league are just going to get relegated again, but it almost never happens. Again, not saying it would be like that in the NBA, but it's the only relegation system in the world and it seems to work fine for them.
Feb 3, 2011 11:31am