KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Oct 24, 2010 9:44pm
dat dude;531444 wrote:LOL at all Steeler fans saying it was "good officiating." The sideline judge BLEW the call. The ball was live. That is not good officiating.
Now, after their screw-up, they did the right thing, but thats just simply following the rules. But it was not "good officiating."
I dont think anybody would argue with that
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Oct 24, 2010 10:41pm
Close call. The refs did what they were allowed to in that situation.
Close calls have to go one way or the other. We've been on the other end but the apology from the league didn't change the fact that the Jags played the Pats in the next round of the playoffs a few years back. A lot of other fans pretty much said,"Oh well, STFU, you lost, haha." Now we get a close call and I'm not gonna apologize for it. I'm guessing you haven't and wouldn't either.
Ball game. 5-1. Sole possession of 1st place in the AFC North.
Close calls have to go one way or the other. We've been on the other end but the apology from the league didn't change the fact that the Jags played the Pats in the next round of the playoffs a few years back. A lot of other fans pretty much said,"Oh well, STFU, you lost, haha." Now we get a close call and I'm not gonna apologize for it. I'm guessing you haven't and wouldn't either.
Ball game. 5-1. Sole possession of 1st place in the AFC North.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Oct 24, 2010 10:50pm
close call my ass. that was cheating at its best. i dont want to hear that nonsense of being on the other end of a bad call. NO TEAM HAS BENEFITED FROM BAD CALLS AS MANY TIMES AS THE STEELERS HAVE.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Oct 24, 2010 10:53pm
Typical whining that goes on here. Can't say that I'm surprised.
5-1. 1st place in AFC North.
5-1. 1st place in AFC North.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Oct 24, 2010 10:55pm
I am not down with the conspiracy theories like some on here. I am just more of the belief that these calls even out throughout a season. I just think the officiating seems to get worse every year. Is the game getting too fast for these guys or something?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 24, 2010 10:56pm
KnightRyder;531642 wrote:close call my ass. that was cheating at its best. i dont want to hear that nonsense of being on the other end of a bad call. NO TEAM HAS BENEFITED FROM BAD CALLS AS MANY TIMES AS THE STEELERS HAVE.
prove it
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Oct 24, 2010 11:06pm
just saw another closeup on Sportscenter. I dont know how the ref could possibly say that it wasnt clear who recovered that football. There were 3-4 dolphins on that thing. The Dolphins still had their chances though......sometimes you need a little luck on your side
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Oct 24, 2010 11:10pm
KR1245;531667 wrote:just saw another closeup on Sportscenter. I dont know how the ref could possibly say that it wasnt clear who recovered that football. There were 3-4 dolphins on that thing. The Dolphins still had their chances though......sometimes you need a little luck on your side
Just because you lay your arm on a loose ball....that doesn't mean that you have established possession.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Oct 24, 2010 11:16pm
killer_ewok;531672 wrote:Just because you lay your arm on a loose ball....that doesn't mean that you have established possession.
I understand that. They didnt lay an arm on the ball though...3 Dolphins jumped right on top of the damn thing. I dont see how you can look at that footage and think Miami didnt have the ball. Like I said, Miami had their chances.....I just think the "we couldnt tell who had possession" argument is pretty weak
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Oct 24, 2010 11:23pm
At what point on any of the replays did you say to yourself,"#__ for Miami recovered the ball"? So 3 'Phins jumped on it. Did we see any of them establish possession? Maybe one of them did but the officials and the rest of us couldn't tell. A couple Steelers joined the scrum almost immediately so maybe one of them established possession at one point and we didn't see it. Who knows. None of the replays revealed a definitive answer as to who recovered the ball.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Oct 24, 2010 11:30pm
KR1245;531679 wrote:I understand that. They didnt lay an arm on the ball though...3 Dolphins jumped right on top of the damn thing. I dont see how you can look at that footage and think Miami didnt have the ball. Like I said, Miami had their chances.....I just think the "we couldnt tell who had possession" argument is pretty weak
What I saw was two Dolphins each get one hand over the ball but they didn't gain full possession then Legursky got a hand in and then others, like Ben.
The first Dolphins that got there didn't secure it, from what I saw. Then it was impossible to tell after five, six, seven players dove on top.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Oct 24, 2010 11:40pm
dat dude;531444 wrote:LOL at all Steeler fans saying it was "good officiating." The sideline judge BLEW the call. The ball was live. That is not good officiating.
Now, after their screw-up, they did the right thing, but thats just simply following the rules. But it was not "good officiating."
I agree with you to an extent. Missed calls happen. I was referring to after the line judge missed it. There was no indisputable evidence that Miami recovered the ball. You know how it is when you jump on a loose football. The review decision was the correct, if you don't think so well then to be blunt....you're wrong.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 25, 2010 12:38am
killer_ewok;531615 wrote:Close call. The refs did what they were allowed to in that situation.
Close calls have to go one way or the other. We've been on the other end but the apology from the league didn't change the fact that the Jags played the Pats in the next round of the playoffs a few years back. A lot of other fans pretty much said,"Oh well, STFU, you lost, haha." Now we get a close call and I'm not gonna apologize for it. I'm guessing you haven't and wouldn't either.
Ball game. 5-1. Sole possession of 1st place in the AFC North.
That's the honest truth. I stopped getting fired up at the "U GETZ BAD CALLZ" crowd when it became overly apparent that jealousy and/or pure dislike of the team were the only reasons they were so fired up about things. They'll all remember today and the Seattle Super Bowl...but none of them will have any recollection of that Jacksonville playoff game or other times where the Steelers were apologized to by the league after the fact.
But...you know...they're all right. It's good to forget about potentially bad calls against a team, while repeatedly condemning potentially bad calls favoring that same team. Just like it's good to ignore NFL championships won by a franchise in the pre-Super Bowl era, while only noticing championships won in the Super Bowl. In other words, being a Capone/Modell.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Oct 25, 2010 1:40am
just saw the highlight, that's a tough one to swallow for the dolphins. i guess i can understand the ruling but at the same time, i just don't see how they can not award possession to the dolphins. scrums usually end up awarding possession to whomever comes out with the ball and in this case that was the dolphins (at least everything i've heard the dolphins handed the refs the ball). seems as if the steelers caught a break in this game. those breaks tend to even out over the course of the season, so the steelers might want to keep the lube handy just in case they get the screwjob lol
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Vinqtin
Posts: 13
Oct 25, 2010 8:07am
As others have pointed out, this wasn't the last play of the game. There was still plenty of time left on the clock and I felt pretty confident that Steelers would get the ball back and score. Nevertheless, the Steelers shouldn't have to apologize for the officials mistake.
BTW, in reading through the Bills @ Ravens thread I didn't see anyone on there saying that the Refs cheated for the Ravens. There were some pretty iffy calls in that one and they ALL favored the Ravens.
BTW, in reading through the Bills @ Ravens thread I didn't see anyone on there saying that the Refs cheated for the Ravens. There were some pretty iffy calls in that one and they ALL favored the Ravens.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 25, 2010 9:13am
Vinqtin;531809 wrote:As others have pointed out, this wasn't the last play of the game. There was still plenty of time left on the clock and I felt pretty confident that Steelers would get the ball back and score. Nevertheless, the Steelers shouldn't have to apologize for the officials mistake.
BTW, in reading through the Bills @ Ravens thread I didn't see anyone on there saying that the Refs cheated for the Ravens. There were some pretty iffy calls in that one and they ALL favored the Ravens.
Trust me, Bills fans are livid. But you do make a valid point, no one on here is saying the ravens had the refs in their pockets
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Vinqtin
Posts: 13
Oct 25, 2010 9:24am
dazedconfused;531756 wrote:just saw the highlight, that's a tough one to swallow for the dolphins. i guess i can understand the ruling but at the same time, i just don't see how they can not award possession to the dolphins. scrums usually end up awarding possession to whomever comes out with the ball and in this case that was the dolphins (at least everything i've heard the dolphins handed the refs the ball). seems as if the steelers caught a break in this game. those breaks tend to even out over the course of the season, so the steelers might want to keep the lube handy just in case they get the screwjob lol
Post-Game Interview with Steelers Tackle Jonathon Scott...
"I had the ball but the official said 'Let the ball go, it's a touchdown," so I did. But I knew I had the ball because I was losing the feeling in my arm from squeezing it." -- Jonathan Scott, Steelers RT who said he recovered Roethlisberger's fumble in the end zone on the bizarre replay review
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10298/1097891-66.stm#ixzz13NPtJjB6
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Oct 25, 2010 11:06am
thanks, didn't see that. wish the refs wouldn't have screwed it up in the first place so we wouldn't have this he said she said between the two teamsVinqtin;531837 wrote:Post-Game Interview with Steelers Tackle Jonathon Scott...
"I had the ball but the official said 'Let the ball go, it's a touchdown," so I did. But I knew I had the ball because I was losing the feeling in my arm from squeezing it." -- Jonathan Scott, Steelers RT who said he recovered Roethlisberger's fumble in the end zone on the bizarre replay review
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10298/1097891-66.stm#ixzz13NPtJjB6
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Oct 25, 2010 11:31am
I disagree that the side judges view made it seem like it was a clear TD. The live TV view was from his vantage point and my intial reaction to it live was that the ball was going forward too fast for it to be in the control of the QB. So I was very surprised he would immediately raise his arms and blow his whistle, especially with the usually conservative approach the officials take on a goal line potentially scoring play since repaly came into being. Once the side jusdge did that mistake, the outcome was correctly handled.I Wear Pants;531345 wrote:Because the side judges view made it seem like a clear touchdown. Before they showed the replays from the goalpost viewpoint I was sure it was a touchdown with the fumble caused by the ground or at least after it broke the plane. That's what it looked like to the side judge, a clear touchdown. So he waves the play dead. You can't call the play dead and then look at a replay and say "oh, I was wrong" and then say "who picked the ball up after I called it dead? You, ok, your ball now."
Good officiating.
Do we know where home is for the side judge? Because his quick, erroneous action saved it for the Steelers. The ref, from the Pitt area, did what was appropriate for what happened before he had to rule, so I wouldn't blame him with any homer favoritism.
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
Oct 25, 2010 11:41am
Back in 1960 Dan Rooney made a deal with The Freemasons, the Taliban, The Skull and Bones Society, NASA, PETA, The United Nations, The Gambino Family, and Israel. They convinced him to be the grassy knoll shooter in the Kennedy assasination and in return for that, his NFL franchise would forever be rewarded with generous officiating at times when it was most needed. Dan Brown is in the process of writing a book about this very topic. If you align all six Lombardi Trophies at Heinz Field correctly, the door to the headquarters of The New World Order opens up. The headquarters are located below the stadium.
Just an FYI for all you.
Just an FYI for all you.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Oct 25, 2010 12:10pm
THE4RINGZ;531966 wrote:Back in 1960 Dan Rooney made a deal with The Freemasons, the Taliban, The Skull and Bones Society, NASA, PETA, The United Nations, The Gambino Family, and Israel. They convinced him to be the grassy knoll shooter in the Kennedy assasination and in return for that, his NFL franchise would forever be rewarded with generous officiating at times when it was most needed. Dan Brown is in the process of writing a book about this very topic. If you align all six Lombardi Trophies at Heinz Field correctly, the door to the headquarters of The New World Order opens up. The headquarters are located below the stadium.
Just an FYI for all you.
I LOL'd. Classic.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Oct 25, 2010 12:21pm
I'm definitely the biggest dolfan here, and while i hate that call, and feel without a doubt it cost the dolphins the game, i'm not that upset with it.
the dolphins should have had at least 1 TD on those 2 fumbles in the 1st quarter. that was a bigger concern for me. that and the fact that they haven't run the ball well at all the entire season.
i'm a firm believer in the philosophy that says "just win the fucking game and the refs won't have any say in it."
the dolphins should have had at least 1 TD on those 2 fumbles in the 1st quarter. that was a bigger concern for me. that and the fact that they haven't run the ball well at all the entire season.
i'm a firm believer in the philosophy that says "just win the fucking game and the refs won't have any say in it."
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Oct 25, 2010 12:25pm
Schefter described it rather simply on Sportscenter... "Good call, bad rule".
He compared it to the call that cost the Lions a win in week 1, seems obvious, except for the retarded rule that changes it all.
He compared it to the call that cost the Lions a win in week 1, seems obvious, except for the retarded rule that changes it all.
Non
Posts: 9,517
Oct 25, 2010 12:53pm
It might be changed in the offseason.
The ref answered the questions that many have asked but basically said that because it was ruled a touchdown on the field, the officials didn't follow through with deciding who recovered the football. They reacted as if it was a touchdown and they started to get ready for the extra point. Then after it was changed to a fumble by replay they had to go back and review which team made the recovery but they didn't have a clear recovery.
The ref answered the questions that many have asked but basically said that because it was ruled a touchdown on the field, the officials didn't follow through with deciding who recovered the football. They reacted as if it was a touchdown and they started to get ready for the extra point. Then after it was changed to a fumble by replay they had to go back and review which team made the recovery but they didn't have a clear recovery.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Oct 25, 2010 1:09pm
Guy on red zone channel said it best. If they just watch the replay another 10 seconds you'll see who has it.