ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Oct 15, 2010 3:30pm
fish82;520427 wrote:Where did I say it was a choice between good or bad?
And I'm sorry, but yes...it is just that simple. If you really don't want bloated government, then the choice is clear. If you still think it serves a purpose, then I guess you still have some pondering to do.
There are currently two parties. One of them has any kind of track record the past 30 years in reducing the size of the federal government. I'm merely playing the odds.
Haha, yeah. Although, I thought for sure Angle was the better of two evil, now I just think they are equally bad. But, if pressed, perhaps Angle is a little better than Reid as long as she does not have any leadership positions in her first term.
Plus, it would not hurt to have another Senate leader.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Oct 15, 2010 3:38pm
Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying I think Angle is the savior of the GOP. If she was running against anyone other than Harry, she'd have a serious problem. And I agree...I'm assuming the GOP leadership wouldn't be dumb enough to put her in a highly visible role for at least a year or two.ptown_trojans_1;520438 wrote:Haha, yeah. Although, I thought for sure Angle was the better of two evil, now I just think they are equally bad. But, if pressed, perhaps Angle is a little better than Reid as long as she does not have any leadership positions in her first term.
Plus, it would not hurt to have another Senate leader.
It's the same reason I never got all the hysteria over Sarah Palin. Johnny Mac would have put her in an office for a year, she would have learned what she needed to learn, and been no worse than any other Veep. I can't believe that there are those who still think she would have blown the frigging planet up after watching Joey B. for the past 2 years.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 15, 2010 3:46pm
Neither party has any record of reducing the government size in the past 30 years.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Oct 15, 2010 3:55pm
How about "bringing expenditures in line with revenue." Better?I Wear Pants;520454 wrote:Neither party has any record of reducing the government size in the past 30 years.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Oct 15, 2010 4:20pm
QuakerOats;520382 wrote:All that matters is her votes FOR limited government, tax relief, and spending cuts. I don't care if she can chew gum and walk at the same time as long as she governs like a real conservative.
Harry Reid represents everything that is wrong with government ------ it is wonderful to see him get whipped; it just should have happened a long time ago so we could have avoided the massive damage he has inflicted.
+1 . . . x 1million
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 15, 2010 4:29pm
We haven't really done much of that under either of them..either.fish82;520461 wrote:How about "bringing expenditures in line with revenue." Better?
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Oct 15, 2010 4:32pm
I still would like to know why the OP mentioned Angle wants English to be our official language in his original post like it was a strike against her.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Oct 15, 2010 4:39pm
bigdaddy2003;520510 wrote:I still would like to know why the OP mentioned Angle wants English to be our official language in his original post like it was a strike against her.
1. It was asked as a question during the debate.
2. English is already the unofficial language of the U.S.
3. Our founders never intended the country to have an official language. Why have one now?
4. It makes no sense why one would spend the time on making English the official language when it does not treat the root problem of solving illegal immigration.
5. I actually think Reid's response was rigt on the money. (His only of the night )He dismissed it and said English is already our language.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 15, 2010 6:06pm
Dumping Reid is in and of itself sufficient to elect Angle. Assuming the Dems hold onto the Senate by the narrowest of margins it will be interesting to see who they would choose to be "Majority" Leader.ptown_trojans_1;520438 wrote:Plus, it would not hurt to have another Senate leader.
Whoever they choose will have his or her hands full.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 15, 2010 7:49pm
I would certainly not mind another Senate leader.
Angle would likely have to be a literal rock to lose this race.
Angle would likely have to be a literal rock to lose this race.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Oct 15, 2010 11:17pm
What strikes me as odd about Angle (and all other Tea Party candidates) is that they claim to want less (or no) government, yet they want desperately to be a part of that government, to the point of spending millions of dollars to be a part of the government.
And another thing that kinda amazes me is how, during some of the most economically trying times in our history, campaign spending during midterm elections seems to be at an all-time high. Who can afford to give that money to campaigns when 10% of the work force is out of work?
And another thing that kinda amazes me is how, during some of the most economically trying times in our history, campaign spending during midterm elections seems to be at an all-time high. Who can afford to give that money to campaigns when 10% of the work force is out of work?
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Oct 16, 2010 12:13am
"What strikes me as odd about Angle (and all other Tea Party candidates) is that they claim to want less (or no) government, yet they want desperately to be a part of that government, to the point of spending millions of dollars to be a part of the government."
I respectfully disagree. How is it odd? Either way you have it, there are 100 Senators. Is there something wrong about ensuring that someone else isn't abusing the position?
FWIW I don't care for either candidate. But Reid is in a position of power, as is Pelosi on the House side. What were the DEMs thinking putting these clowns in charge?
I respectfully disagree. How is it odd? Either way you have it, there are 100 Senators. Is there something wrong about ensuring that someone else isn't abusing the position?
FWIW I don't care for either candidate. But Reid is in a position of power, as is Pelosi on the House side. What were the DEMs thinking putting these clowns in charge?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2010 12:17am
Who knows?
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
Oct 16, 2010 1:09am
Manhattan Buckeye;521224 wrote:"What strikes me as odd about Angle (and all other Tea Party candidates) is that they claim to want less (or no) government, yet they want desperately to be a part of that government, to the point of spending millions of dollars to be a part of the government."
I respectfully disagree. How is it odd? Either way you have it, there are 100 Senators. Is there something wrong about ensuring that someone else isn't abusing the position?
FWIW I don't care for either candidate. But Reid is in a position of power, as is Pelosi on the House side. What were the DEMs thinking putting these clowns in charge?
They weren't.
What a mess the democratic leadership has made of things in such a short amount of time...
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 16, 2010 8:51am
True. The Dems had a golden opportunity and completely fumbled the ball in stunningly rapid fashion.cbus4life;521280 wrote:They weren't.
What a mess the democratic leadership has made of things in such a short amount of time...
It seems just like yesterday the media and Dem party leaders were telling us that it will take years if not decades for the Repubs to bounce back. Due to their own ineptitude the Dems have imploded and hastened their own demise at 186,000 miles per second.
Suffice to say that the Repubs have been handed a gift by the Dems. Let's see how rapidly they screw up this time.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Oct 16, 2010 10:47am
believer;521345 wrote:Suffice to say that the Repubs have been handed a gift by the Dems. Let's see how rapidly they screw up this time.
If they lose their way and return to being Democrat Lite, there won't be another chance. I would also offer that the Republican Party would be out of business at that point.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Oct 16, 2010 11:07am
stlouiedipalma;521120 wrote:What strikes me as odd about Angle (and all other Tea Party candidates) is that they claim to want less (or no) government, yet they want desperately to be a part of that government, to the point of spending millions of dollars to be a part of the government.
I always learn something when I read how the Tea Party is viewed by those that want no part of it. I heard virtually this same type statement from Chris Matthews a day or two ago. So the Tea Party is about anarchy, eh? Fascinating.
It's actually pretty simple, the Tea Party believes in restoring fiscal sanity to our bloated federal government, cutting out-of-control spending, defending capitalism, and re-firing our stalled economic engine by freeing people from governmental control. It is not about having "no government". How about we just have the government as ordained by the Constitution and its Amendments? Now that would be a monumental change I can believe in.
Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Oct 16, 2010 5:18pm
Nevada has the same problem America did in 2008 during the presidential election. Two complete neophytes to select from to run this country, and we're feeling the pains of what we elected.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 16, 2010 10:46pm
This.Great point. If Nevadans keep Harry Reid, we're all screwed.
Moreover, can Angle be worse that Reid? At least we can rely on her not to vote instep with Pelosi.
If you are gonna get screwed you might as well choose the way you are going to enjoy it the most.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 17, 2010 4:52am
After November 2nd Pelosi will go back to being House Minority leader and Angle will force the Dems to pick a new Senate Slim Majority Leader.HitsRus;522357 wrote:This.
Moreover, can Angle be worse that Reid? At least we can rely on her not to vote instep with Pelosi.
If you are gonna get screwed you might as well choose the way you are going to enjoy it the most.
That works for me!
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Oct 17, 2010 9:02am
I got a five spot that says she won't have the votes to hold the minority leader spot. I honestly don't think the Dems are stupid enough to let her keep the leadership role.believer;522594 wrote:After November 2nd Pelosi will go back to being House Minority leader and Angle will force the Dems to pick a new Senate Slim Majority Leader.
That works for me!
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 17, 2010 10:49am
Icing on the cake! I would love to see the Repubs expel her from her Speaker's office and then witness the Dems send her down the hall to occupy just another "average" Rep's office! Her ego will implode.fish82;522622 wrote:I got a five spot that says she won't have the votes to hold the minority leader spot. I honestly don't think the Dems are stupid enough to let her keep the leadership role.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 17, 2010 12:50pm
I'll be a happy guy if Reid and Pelosi have less influence.
I'm going to be so glad when someday I can actually vote for a candidate I like instead of the one I think is ever so slightly less of a piece of shit.
I'm going to be so glad when someday I can actually vote for a candidate I like instead of the one I think is ever so slightly less of a piece of shit.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Oct 17, 2010 1:28pm
Did someone forget to tell Harry, "This election is lost".
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 17, 2010 2:20pm
I'd love to but only after it happens. We'll see how successful his own personal "surge" works out for him on November 2nd.majorspark;522881 wrote:Did someone forget to tell Harry, "This election is lost".