Automatik;518604 wrote:Why do you care so much about Cleveland? As a Pittsburgh fan I really don't give a shit about them. Sure I'll take part in some ribbing, but in no way do they threaten Pittsburgh's success or potential success.

Whats with the obsession?

Great question. I think every Browns fan is thinking the same thing. The dude needs to grow up.

Holgrem has been a failure? Its week 6 of his first year on the job. Gimme a break

lhslep134;518647 wrote:Rapelisbergers.

My fantasy team name!

This was a stellar move for the Browns!

I would say Philly gets the win on this one.

I dont think either team "won" this trade. Its not like the Browns gave up Josh Cribbs, they gave up Jerome Harrison.

Art Modell;518582 wrote:And you're all sidestepping my statement that Cleveland is in meltdown stage.

Nobody's side stepping anything. Like I said earlier on another thread, Rome wasn't built in a day. I suppose someone needs to explain that to you?

Blanket;518682 wrote:This was a stellar move for the Browns!

I would say Philly gets the win on this one.

cool name, are you serious with that...blanket?

DeyDurkie5;518809 wrote:cool name, are you serious with that...blanket?

Just call him Gibby

I am not the only one who thinks Philly made out on this deal.

From Rotoworld

"It's a win-win move for the Birds. The Eagles no longer have to feel compelled to play Bell after guaranteeing him $2 million while he was averaging 1.8 yards per carry, and Harrison gives them a player with solid all-around skills, if limited upside. Bell will compete with James Davis to be Peyton Hillis' backup. It's hard to imagine Bell being a real factor in Cleveland, however, considering how poorly he was playing in Philadelphia."

Also, why would you want a 2 million dollar back who has done nothing??

haha blanket/gibby/whogivesafuck never actually makes any points himself. He always says something then posts a link to a random article on it and then uses the author's words as his viewpoint. Sigh...

Now if Hillis gets hurt Cleveland has nobody to plug in that would be decent.

When Harrison was here you atleast had somebody could go do something when Hillis wasnt on the field.

This whole thing now falls on Colt McCoy's shoulders and that is a horrible thing.

LOL he has 30 carries for 91 yards on the season..that wasn't someone who could do something when Hillis wasn't out there.

Blanket;518845 wrote:Now if Hillis gets hurt Cleveland has nobody to plug in that would be decent.

When Harrison was here you atleast had somebody could go do something when Hillis wasnt on the field.

This whole thing now falls on Colt McCoy's shoulders and that is a horrible thing.

Harrison was avg. 6 carries a game, he was hardly a factor in Cleveland. He wasn't happy(I don't blame him), so why not let him move on rather than being a problem.

thedynasty1998;518453 wrote:I know many want to give Holmgren the benefit of the doubt, but I'm really starting to wonder. First Delhomme, then drafting McCoy and now this?

?? Dude, your nonsense was enough on Cavs threads, no here you are again? Holmgren went out and signed Delhomme as a veteran QB and a stop gap. Nothing more, nothing less. He took a flyer on a QB to see if he had anything left. Nothing wrong with that.

As far as drafting McCoy, SERIOUSLY??? He was a LATE 3rd round pick. LATE 3rd round pick.. It's not as if he was some high round pick like Tim Tebow or something. Stop being so damn naive on all things Cleveland. And give Holmgren the benefit of the doubt? What doubt? He's had a GREAT career and is PROVEN.

thedynasty1998;518456 wrote:BTW, I don't think this is a "bad" trade, it just doesn't make any sense.

It makes perfect sense. Jerome Harrison was done in Cleveland. I don't understand why people find this so hard to understand. Harrison wasn't happy that he had to sign the tender this past offseason due to it being an uncapped year. He wants to get paid and he's not going to get paid in Cleveland (or anywhere else IMO) because Cleveland doesn't have faith in him. You don't go out and draft Hardesty in the 2nd round. You don't trade for Hillis.. You just don't make those moves if you think Jerome is "your guy"... He had a flash in the pan few games for the Browns. In our win against the Steelers, it was pretty much the tough running of Chris Jennings who ran us to victory in that game, not Harrison.

The problem with Harrison is the smallest contact brings him down.. Not going to get it done here in Cleveland, not in this weather.

Mike Bell is a prototypical line it up and run down hill back. Hillis is banged up. 2+2 ='s 4.

I can't agree that this trade makes the browns any better. Probably should have picked up a WR but I am not one to question a professional talent scout while I am busy all day doing my job they are busy doing theirs and their job is to evaluate NFL talent

But it wasn't really meant to make Cleveland better. It was an even move, but one that fits both teams a little better afterwards.

Seriously though, what WR would we have gotten for Jerome Harrison? Nobody better than MoMass or Cribbs are at this point.

I honestly think are WR's are fine for right now. Do we need to get a legit #1 guy in? Yes. But it doesn't help when we don't have a true big play QB back there either.

MoMass has shown the ability to make the tough catch and also stretch the D.. But he's also not been targeted as much as he should have been.

After hearing more about this last night, this wasn't a "Holmgren or Heckert thing", it was a "Mangini thing." Prior to the season Holmgren said "I'm going to step back, be behind the scenes and you likely won't hear much from me during the season (which has been true, to date). If Eric (Mangini) has a player that he WANTS, we will do everything in our power to go out and get him."

This type of player (Bell) is a power running, big boy type of back. That has Mangini written ALL over it. Holmgren & Heckert are giving Mangini what he wants. And in the mean time, they are giving Mangini ALL of the rope that he needs to hang himself. At the end of the season when it's time to make evaluations on whether to dump or keep Mangini, the new regime can say "well we gave you EVERYTHING you wanted and you STILL failed."

Nobody really "won" or "lost" in this trade. Harrison quit on the team. He moped because the Browns didn't sign him to a fat contract after he ran wild on a bunch of teams playing out the string at the end of last season. And was it Harrison or the O-Line coming together? I've always liked the guys skills but if he's a quitter, screw him! He can "take his skills/game to South Beach" for all I care. I hear that's where quitters go anyway. Bell is an insurance policy if Hillis stays dinged up. They are similar types of backs.

BR1986FB;519043 wrote:After hearing more about this last night, this wasn't a "Holmgren or Heckert thing", it was a "Mangini thing." Prior to the season Holmgren said "I'm going to step back, be behind the scenes and you likely won't hear much from me during the season (which has been true, to date). If Eric (Mangini) has a player that he WANTS, we will do everything in our power to go out and get him."

This type of player (Bell) is a power running, big boy type of back. That has Mangini written ALL over it. Holmgren & Heckert are giving Mangini what he wants. And in the mean time, they are giving Mangini ALL of the rope that he needs to hang himself. At the end of the season when it's time to make evaluations on whether to dump or keep Mangini, the new regime can say "well we gave you EVERYTHING you wanted and you STILL failed."

Which i disagree with that approach. Its like a limbo year, as we all know, this is going to be a WCO team. Least when RAC came in he said, this is a 3-4 team. I have no issue with Holmgren coming in and saying its a WCO team, and thats how its going to be. It's ok if Holmgren wants to put his stamp on it, but I wish he'd just do it already.

Commander of Awesome;519047 wrote:Which i disagree with that approach. Its like a limbo year, as we all know, this is going to be a WCO team. Least when RAC came in he said, this is a 3-4 team. I have no issue with Holmgren coming in and saying its a WCO team, and thats how its going to be. It's ok if Holmgren wants to put his stamp on it, but I wish he'd just do it already.

I agree. If Holmgren does fire Mangini, I don't know what the chances are but, I'd like to see him keep Ryan and the 3-4 defense. Ryan has also coached a 4-3 but switching from the 3-4 means blowing up the personnel on the defensive side of the ball, AGAIN. I'd rather just try to build on what Ryan is doing.

I'm willing to bet that Mangini doesn't take a crap without asking Holmgren.

Art Modell;519183 wrote:I'm willing to bet that Mangini doesn't take a crap without asking Holmgren.

I'm willing to bet that he tries to but Holmgren isn't answering him anymore as he gives him a little more rope to hang himself with.

Glad to see Gibby is back after his long visit to the Neverland Ranch.

Nate;519309 wrote:Glad to see Gibby is back after his long visit to the Neverland Ranch.

Nah...he just took his "skills" to Tim Tebow's house.

One of the most pointless trades of all time. Harrison wasn't great, but neither is bell. I'd would have rather gotten a 7th round pick than Bell.

http://cle.scout.com/2/1011934.html