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Kobe: "I'd beat LeBron one-on-one in my sleep"

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Oct 5, 2010 9:38 PM
Kobe left himself wide open on that one. A Lebron supporter would say "yeah, because you are dreaming"

But until Lebron gets himself a trophy it is hard to discount Kobe
Oct 5, 2010 9:38pm
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Oct 5, 2010 10:42 PM
1-on-1, I think LeBron wins based on physical prominence alone.

However, the NBA isn't 1-on-1, that is if you want to be a championship level player on a team.

LeBron too often was hyped up as being a team player, but in reality, he was also the culprit of making the Cavs offense stall so often.

He's easily the most talented physically, unfortunately for everybody (mostly Cavs fans) he's not the most gifted intellectually.
Oct 5, 2010 10:42pm
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Oct 5, 2010 10:48 PM
hoops23;508789 wrote:1-on-1, I think LeBron wins based on physical prominence alone.

However, the NBA isn't 1-on-1, that is if you want to be a championship level player on a team.

LeBron too often was hyped up as being a team player, but in reality, he was also the culprit of making the Cavs offense stall so often.

He's easily the most talented physically, unfortunately for everybody (mostly Cavs fans) he's not the most gifted intellectually.

I am curious to see how he plays this year. He is very ball dominant, so with the talent he has around him...I wanna see if he is out at the top of the key pounding the ball on the floor until the clock runs down. We will find out whether he is coachable at all this year.
Oct 5, 2010 10:48pm
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Oct 5, 2010 11:12 PM
In fairness to Lebron he probably thought the odds of the winning increased dramatically when he was touching the ball. Mo Williams and Parker bombing away jumpers is not conducive to winning. Neither is feeding the ball to the decomposing bodies of Shaq and Z. The Cavs offense was the way it was for a reason
Oct 5, 2010 11:12pm
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Oct 5, 2010 11:26 PM
jordo212000;508843 wrote:In fairness to Lebron he probably thought the odds of the winning increased dramatically when he was touching the ball. Mo Williams and Parker bombing away jumpers is not conducive to winning. Neither is feeding the ball to the decomposing bodies of Shaq and Z. The Cavs offense was the way it was for a reason

I actually thought the team was better when Lebron played to his strength.....in transition or even quick hitters in the half court. I hated it when he would run the clock down and then penetrate and kick or flop in the lane looking for a foul. My question is....was this Lebron or was this Mike Brown's offensive scheme?
Oct 5, 2010 11:26pm
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Oct 5, 2010 11:31 PM
wes_mantooth;508865 wrote:I actually thought the team was better when Lebron played to his strength.....in transition or even quick hitters in the half court. I hated it when he would run the clock down and then penetrate and kick or flop in the lane looking for a foul. My question is....was this Lebron or was this Mike Brown's offensive scheme?

I think it was a little of both... but mostly Mike Brown's fault. A coach should be the one getting the players to buy into his offensive and defensive schemes.
Oct 5, 2010 11:31pm
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Oct 5, 2010 11:32 PM
wes_mantooth;508865 wrote:I actually thought the team was better when Lebron played to his strength.....in transition or even quick hitters in the half court. I hated it when he would run the clock down and then penetrate and kick or flop in the lane looking for a foul. My question is....was this Lebron or was this Mike Brown's offensive scheme?

Well, if you listen to people within the organization, LeBron waived off the actual plays about 90% of the time.

The Cavs weren't best with LeBron chucking up jumpers. They were at their best when they ran, spread the ball out, and got contribution from everybody. Much like they did in the reg. season against the Lakers and Celtics..

It turned back into LeBron stall ball in the playoffs.
Oct 5, 2010 11:32pm
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Oct 5, 2010 11:35 PM
wes_mantooth;508865 wrote:I actually thought the team was better when Lebron played to his strength.....in transition or even quick hitters in the half court. I hated it when he would run the clock down and then penetrate and kick or flop in the lane looking for a foul. My question is....was this Lebron or was this Mike Brown's offensive scheme?
Probably a combination of both.....

old habits die hard, I'm sure there will be plenty of time this season where Lebron holds the ball at the top of the key for 20 seconds. I watched the guy play in high school and he did the same thing.
Oct 5, 2010 11:35pm
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Oct 5, 2010 11:42 PM
KR1245;508874 wrote:Probably a combination of both.....

old habits die hard, I'm sure there will be plenty of time this season where Lebron holds the ball at the top of the key for 20 seconds. I watched the guy play in high school and he did the same thing.

Yep. In fact, if I remember correctly, the one state title game they lost, LeBron was really bad with it.

I'm surprised LeBron didn't sit at the top of the key for the entire quarter in hs, seeing as how there is no shot clock.
Oct 5, 2010 11:42pm
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Oct 6, 2010 9:19 AM
As for the topic at hand, there is no doubt in my mind Lebron beats him one a game of 1-1. He's just too big for Kobe. If they actually played he could just will himself to a layup every single time because Kobe would be over matched from a physical standpoint.

Now if they had a rule that you were only allowed 3 dribbles, Kobe wins.
Oct 6, 2010 9:19am
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Oct 6, 2010 9:21 AM
thedynasty1998;509047 wrote:As for the topic at hand, there is no doubt in my mind Lebron beats him one a game of 1-1. He's just too big for Kobe. If they actually played he could just will himself to a layup every single time because Kobe would be over matched from a physical standpoint.

Now if they had a rule that you were only allowed 3 dribbles, Kobe wins.

What about crab dribbles?
Oct 6, 2010 9:21am
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Oct 6, 2010 11:43 AM
for all those doubting kobes strength i have never seen him physically outmatched by someone his size melo and artest both got 30+ pounds on him and they couldn't move him down low at all what makes you think a guy with no post up game what so ever would be able to dominant him?
Oct 6, 2010 11:43am
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Oct 6, 2010 1:40 PM
2quik4u;509176 wrote:for all those doubting kobes strength i have never seen him physically outmatched by someone his size melo and artest both got 30+ pounds on him and they couldn't move him down low at all what makes you think a guy with no post up game what so ever would be able to dominant him?

Carmelo and Artest played him one on one? In 5-5 basketball you can't just pound the ball and back someone down because of the shot clock and because of help defense. So, your argument really has no relevance.

Lebron probably has 60 pounds on Kobe, he would just abuse him physically.
Oct 6, 2010 1:40pm
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Oct 6, 2010 7:15 PM
Everytime Kobe guarded LeBron during a game, LeBron took his ass to the hoop.

I hate LeBron more than I do Kobe now, but I'm still a realist.

Besides, who gives a shit about 1-on-1? An NBA career is defined by the team game you play. It's why MJ and his 6 championships and accolades are labeled as the GOAT.

Kobe is >>>> LBJ when it comes to that as well.
Oct 6, 2010 7:15pm
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Oct 6, 2010 7:15 PM
BTW, wasn't Melo abusing Kobe in the paint during their playoff series a couple years ago? I do believe he was.
Oct 6, 2010 7:15pm
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Oct 6, 2010 7:31 PM
hoops23;509828 wrote:Everytime Kobe guarded LeBron during a game, LeBron took his ass to the hoop.

I hate LeBron more than I do Kobe now, but I'm still a realist.

Besides, who gives a shit about 1-on-1? An NBA career is defined by the team game you play. It's why MJ and his 6 championships and accolades are labeled as the GOAT.

Kobe is >>>> LBJ when it comes to that as well.

I think it's 5 >'s
Oct 6, 2010 7:31pm
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Oct 6, 2010 9:15 PM
2quik4u;509176 wrote:for all those doubting kobes strength i have never seen him physically outmatched by someone his size melo and artest both got 30+ pounds on him and they couldn't move him down low at all what makes you think a guy with no post up game what so ever would be able to dominant him?

Yea I was about to bring up Melo too, he threw Kobe around pretty good.
Oct 6, 2010 9:15pm
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Oct 6, 2010 11:25 PM
wildcats20;509864 wrote:I think it's 5 >'s

LOL, I see what you did there.

Touche though, touche...
Oct 6, 2010 11:25pm