Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Sep 26, 2010 9:25am
I think the Big10/Pac 10 are tied for 2nd behind the SEC with the Big 12 in 4th. Texas hasnt looked good all year and Oklahoma plays terrible against bad teams.Nebraska is good and the rest of the teams blow. Hell, the Pac 10 could even be the deepest conference as of now.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Sep 26, 2010 9:50am
TheMightyGators;492550 wrote:I would say the Big12 is a deeper stronger conference than the Big10 is currently. That will all probably change next year with the addition of Nebraska to the Big10. The Pac10 also had a pretty good showing against the Big 10 last weekend. Still lots of football to be played, and I'm sure this will all come up again come bowl time.
A bad UCLA team beat Texas, @ Texas. Okl barely survives against UC. And Neb wasn't impressive against South Dakota St. Big 12 deep and stronger? Thats up for debate, easily. The Pac10 had a pretty good showing last week vs Big Ten? They won one game in which they were favored to win. Can you spin your anti Big Ten crap anymore then that? lol
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 26, 2010 10:07am
I'd still say the Pac-10 is just above the Big Ten
Oregon
Stanford
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
are better to me collectively than:
OSU
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Michigan
Plus, the back end of the conference is better in my view, Cal, Washington, USC, UCLA, Washington St.
is better than:
Penn St, Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois.
I mean Illinois, Minnesota and Purdue are awful and Penn St is very suspect right now.
Oregon
Stanford
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
are better to me collectively than:
OSU
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Michigan
Plus, the back end of the conference is better in my view, Cal, Washington, USC, UCLA, Washington St.
is better than:
Penn St, Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois.
I mean Illinois, Minnesota and Purdue are awful and Penn St is very suspect right now.
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Sep 26, 2010 10:18am
ptown_trojans_1;497697 wrote:I'd still say the Pac-10 is just above the Big Ten
Oregon
Stanford
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
are better to me collectively than:
OSU
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Michigan
Plus, the back end of the conference is better in my view, Cal, Washington, USC, UCLA, Washington St.
is better than:
Penn St, Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois.
I mean Illinois, Minnesota and Purdue are awful and Penn St is very suspect right now.
I would agree as of right now. The PAC-10 may be from top to bottom better than the SEC right now. Besides Wash St the PAC-10 does not have any pathetic teams.
The SEC is top heavy while the PAC-10 looks to be deep. I guess it does depend on how much value you put on having the very best teams vs. depth.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Sep 26, 2010 10:20am
ptown_trojans_1;497697 wrote:I'd still say the Pac-10 is just above the Big Ten
Oregon
Stanford
Arizona
Arizona St.
Oregon St.
are better to me collectively than:
OSU
Iowa
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Michigan
Plus, the back end of the conference is better in my view, Cal, Washington, USC, UCLA, Washington St.
is better than:
Penn St, Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois.
I mean Illinois, Minnesota and Purdue are awful and Penn St is very suspect right now.
Don't disagree completely. But not totally sold on ASU or Oregon State being that good to be honest. Wash St and Wash are pretty bad. I think its pretty lose. I'd give the edge to the PAC10 currently. But its still fairly early. Last week we heard how great the Big12 is. This week they look like shit. Things change week to week as we see.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Sep 26, 2010 11:00am
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. Pac-10
4. Big XII
5. ACC
6. Mountain West
7. Big East
2. Big Ten
3. Pac-10
4. Big XII
5. ACC
6. Mountain West
7. Big East
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 26, 2010 12:08pm
centralbucksfan;497710 wrote:Don't disagree completely. But not totally sold on ASU or Oregon State being that good to be honest. Wash St and Wash are pretty bad. I think its pretty lose. I'd give the edge to the PAC10 currently. But its still fairly early. Last week we heard how great the Big12 is. This week they look like shit. Things change week to week as we see.
Yeah. I honestly never bought the Big 12 is good argument. Last week, I had the Pac-10 just ahead of the Big 10. It is early, but so far, the Pac-10 has the better OOC wins, and top to bottom is a better conference to me than the Big 10, with the SEC still clearly the best.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 26, 2010 4:50pm
Things definitely do change from week to week. The Pac-10 is looking for real this year. I have them #2.
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Sonofanump
Sep 26, 2010 8:39pm
Currently, the polls disagree with you:ptown_trojans_1;497697 wrote:I'd still say the Pac-10 is just above the Big Ten
2. Ohio State (2) 4-0 1,412 2
9. Wisconsin 4-0 989 10
18. Iowa 3-1 509 18
19. Michigan 4-0 375 22
20. Penn State 3-1 347 20
21. Michigan State 4-0 278 23
4. Oregon 4-0 1,243 6
13. Stanford 4-0 744 17
14. Arizona 4-0 689 16
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 26, 2010 8:42pm
Sonofanump;498357 wrote:Currently, the polls disagree with you:
2. Ohio State (2) 4-0 1,412 2
9. Wisconsin 4-0 989 10
18. Iowa 3-1 509 18
19. Michigan 4-0 375 22
20. Penn State 3-1 347 20
21. Michigan State 4-0 278 23
4. Oregon 4-0 1,243 6
13. Stanford 4-0 744 17
14. Arizona 4-0 689 16
Well, yeah that will happen when Oregon St. and Arizona St. lose to Boise and Oregon respectively.
I'd still take Arizona St. and Oregon St. over Penn St. and Michigan based on body of work and the different opponents each face.
Shabaka Bashaarat
Posts: 43
Sep 26, 2010 10:12pm
Using the polls to help the Big Ten's argument is a joke. Mich state, Michigan, and PSU all won't be ranked at the end of the year. They haven't beaten anyone. Also USC is in there.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Sep 26, 2010 10:14pm
Cleveland Buck;497745 wrote:1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. Pac-10
4. Big XII
5. ACC
6. Mountain West
7. Big East
The WAC might be ahead of the Big East right now.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 26, 2010 11:28pm
The problem with the Pac 10 is that they don't know how to play defense so all of their numbers are inflated (i.e. just like the Big 12 the past few years).
Check what Oklahoma and Texas did in their respective National Championship losses and what the Pac 10 teams did in bowls last year (bowl offensive output vs. conference offensive output).
Check what Oklahoma and Texas did in their respective National Championship losses and what the Pac 10 teams did in bowls last year (bowl offensive output vs. conference offensive output).
believer
Posts: 8,153
Sep 27, 2010 9:01am
1. SEC
2. Big Ten/Pac-10
3. Big 12
4. ACC/Mountain West
5. Big East
6. C-USA/WAC
7. Sunbelt/MAC
2. Big Ten/Pac-10
3. Big 12
4. ACC/Mountain West
5. Big East
6. C-USA/WAC
7. Sunbelt/MAC
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Sonofanump
Sep 27, 2010 10:02am
Shabaka Bashaarat;498530 wrote:Using the polls to help the Big Ten's argument is a joke.
So those who do this for a living know less than you?
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Sep 27, 2010 2:11pm
Shabaka Bashaarat;498530 wrote:Using the polls to help the Big Ten's argument is a joke. Mich state, Michigan, and PSU all won't be ranked at the end of the year. They haven't beaten anyone. Also USC is in there.
Its only a joke when it doesn't fit your arguement.
Shabaka Bashaarat
Posts: 43
Sep 27, 2010 3:07pm
centralbucksfan;499187 wrote:Its only a joke when it doesn't fit your arguement.
Likewise to you idiot fuck head.
So you think michigan is a good team? So you think Mich state is good? So you think PSU is good? Go cry because not every poster here is in line to finger Tressel's asshole.
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ZombieKiller
Posts: 817
Sep 28, 2010 7:46pm
1. SEC
2. Pac-10
3. Big 12
4. Big 10
5.ACC
6. Mountain West
7. MAC
8. Big East
2. Pac-10
3. Big 12
4. Big 10
5.ACC
6. Mountain West
7. MAC
8. Big East
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TheMightyGators
Posts: 438
Sep 29, 2010 7:03am
ZombieKiller;500625 wrote:1. SEC
2. Pac-10
3. Big 12
4. Big 10
5.ACC
6. Mountain West
7. MAC
8. Big East
pretty much how I see it so far, but you need to switch 7 and 8.
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the_system
Posts: 465
Sep 29, 2010 9:20pm
Sonofanump;498357 wrote:Currently, the polls disagree with you:
2. Ohio State (2) 4-0 1,412 2
9. Wisconsin 4-0 989 10
18. Iowa 3-1 509 18
19. Michigan 4-0 375 22
20. Penn State 3-1 347 20
21. Michigan State 4-0 278 23
4. Oregon 4-0 1,243 6
13. Stanford 4-0 744 17
14. Arizona 4-0 689 16
Honestly, the Big 10 always seems to get lots of love in the polls. Not necessarily at the top, but they like to stuff teams in there because of their name.
Penn State got nailed pretty hard by Bama and have looked less than impressive against MAC teams. Iowa lost to Arizona, which I'm still not sold on at all, and Iowa has beaten nobody. They're ranked. Michigan and Michigan State have beaten ND, and Notre Dame will end up being terrible this year. Other than that, they've beaten nobody. Wisconsin is in there by default I guess. They were already ranked pretty high and are undefeated. Even though they won on a blocked extra point (at home) to ASU who will probably lose 5-6 games this year.
Meanwhile teams that have done just as much, or more, from the Big 12 are not ranked. Kansas State 4-0. Missouri 4-0. Texas A&M 3-0. Oklahoma State 3-0.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Sep 29, 2010 10:07pm
the_system;501855 wrote:Meanwhile teams that have done just as much, or more, from the Big 12 are not ranked. Kansas State 4-0. Missouri 4-0. Texas A&M 3-0. Oklahoma State 3-0.
Who has Missouri beat? What about Tex A&M? Oklahoma St?
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the_system
Posts: 465
Sep 30, 2010 11:11am
dat dude;501927 wrote:Who has Missouri beat? What about Tex A&M? Oklahoma St?
Really, nobody, nobody, and nobody.
My point is all of these teams and most of the lower ranked big 10 teams have accomplished the same. Beating nobody. Yet there are 4 teams from the B10 that are ranked in the lower rung of the top 25 and zero teams from the B12 who are undefeated and have done nothing as well.
I'm just saying the teams from the B10 have 'the name' while KSU, Missouri, A&M, OkSt do not.
Shabaka Bashaarat
Posts: 43
Sep 30, 2010 5:34pm
the_system;502257 wrote:Really, nobody, nobody, and nobody.
My point is all of these teams and most of the lower ranked big 10 teams have accomplished the same. Beating nobody. Yet there are 4 teams from the B10 that are ranked in the lower rung of the top 25 and zero teams from the B12 who are undefeated and have done nothing as well.
I'm just saying the teams from the B10 have 'the name' while KSU, Missouri, A&M, OkSt do not.
Well said, thats exactly why those teams are ranked too.
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Oct 1, 2010 10:50pm
believer;498832 wrote:1. SEC
2. Big Ten/Pac-10
3. Big 12
4. ACC/Mountain West
5. Big East
6. C-USA/WAC
7. Sunbelt/MAC
I am liking this list, nice job Believer. Might be 3. Big 12, ACC, Mountain West though??
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Oct 2, 2010 11:59am
After the Big12 performance last week, anyone who has them any higher then 4th...is high themselves. No way do they deserve a ranking higher then that.
1. SEC
2. Pac10
3. Big 10
4. Big 12
1. SEC
2. Pac10
3. Big 10
4. Big 12