Red_Skin_Pride;485294 wrote:OP
I realize you're being satirical, and I appreciate the effort, it is quite funny. The education/tradition side can be argued to a point because it's partly subjective. HOWEVER, if you're talking strictly football and talking all-time measurable stats, unless your a ND, Michigan or Alabama fan, you really have nothing to argue with when sleeper says stuff like he does. Is he annoying to non-OSU fans? Hell yes. Is he off base? Nope. When you take the number of national titles, heisman winners, all-americans, wins, conference titles and NFL players, there are 4 schools that jump off the page at you ALL TIME in college football and those are ND, Michigan, Ohio State and Alabama. I hate to drag down you're routine with boring stats and numbers, but the Big10 has and has always had since it's inception 2 of the top 4 programs in college football. ND is independent, and the other is Alabama. Therefore, your attempt at humor is admirable, but misplaced, as most of what you're trying to argue against with satire, you're actually making a case FOR.
Alabama? Really? Are you aware that Texas, Nebraska, Penn State, and Oklahoma ALL have more wins all-time and all but Penn State having a higher all-time win percentage than Alabama. So I decided to take your criteria (National Titles, Heisman Winner, All-Americans, Wins, Conference Titles, NFL Draft picks, and I added winning percentage. I then took the top 10 teams in terms of wins and winning percentage (I left Boise State out since they have played less than half as many games all-time as everyone else on the list), and looked up where these teams stood in these categories, and averaged them. Here is what I found:
Here are the all-time ranks in each of these categories. Please note, Each of the ranks are their ranks overall with a few exceptions. Winning percentage discards Boise State. Consensus All-Americans and conference titles are are ranked among only these 10 teams because I couldn't find a comprehensive all-time list for those categories.
Now, I added up the total ranks for all seven categories for each team and then averaged them. For Notre Dame and Penn State their average is out of only 6 categories as conference titles were not included because of their long-time independence. When all-time ranks in these categories was averaged, this is what came out:
1. Notre Dame - 1.833
2. Michigan - 3.143
3. Ohio State - 4.143
4. Oklahoma - 4.714
5. USC - 4.714*
6. Nebraska - 6.143
7. Texas - 8.286
8. Alabama - 9.143
9. Penn State - 13.167
10. Tennessee - 18.714
*USC was given credit for 6 Heisman Trophies since Reggie Bush's Heisman has been vacated. I also ranked them lower than Oklahoma even though they have the same average because Oklahoma has the edge in wins, winning percentage, and national championships.
So, obviously there are problems with these rankings because Heisman wins are weighted the same as total wins and national championships, but it is an interesting comparison (maybe I'll try and develop some kind of weighting and add a few more categories and do an all-time ranking of NCAA football programs sometime). So based on these rankings only Notre Dame and Michigan really have room to talk when it comes to OSU. Also, like I set out to point out, Alabama is really nowhere close to being one of the top four programs of all time, as they only finished in the top four in one category and finished 8th overall.
