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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Sep 14, 2010 6:28pm
He explains in detail what Christianity is supposed to be...and he has it right unlike the douchebag that wanted a national "burn the Qur'an" party.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/13/100506/pentecostals-reject-florida-pastors.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/13/100506/pentecostals-reject-florida-pastors.html
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Sep 14, 2010 8:08pm
What happens if you buy the Koran on your Kindle and destroy it after reading? via - deleting
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 14, 2010 8:17pm
rydawg5;484234 wrote:What happens if you buy the Koran on your Kindle and destroy it after reading? via - deleting
Since it is not on paper, nothing.
For some reason it is the paper and the actual presence of the book as the word of God that Muslims make so sacred.
Good for this guy. Burning any book is not the way to go.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 14, 2010 8:41pm
Agreed that burning any book is for the most part, pretty dumb. That being said, the Muslim community should consider lightening up a tad about people doing stuff to their book.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Sep 14, 2010 10:25pm
^^^^ This.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Sep 15, 2010 5:25am
fish82;484295 wrote:Agreed that burning any book is for the most part, pretty dumb. That being said, the Muslim community should consider lightening up a tad about people doing stuff to their book.
Sounds good but once again we're applying rational cause and effect secular Western thinking to a culture built upon oftentimes irrational yet deeply held religious beliefs...beliefs that can lead some of its more radical elements to martyr themselves in the name of God.
Asking the followers of the religion of peace to calmly ignore the filthy infidels who burn their religious teachings is like asking a child to not play with matches. Sooner or later someone gets burned.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Sep 15, 2010 11:26am
Yeah, they're the only ones who are irrational.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Sep 15, 2010 12:36pm
If I burnt a Bible, I don't think Christians would exactly brush it off. They may not kill people, but the reaction will still most likely be irrational.fish82;484295 wrote:Agreed that burning any book is for the most part, pretty dumb. That being said, the Muslim community should consider lightening up a tad about people doing stuff to their book.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Sep 15, 2010 1:32pm
Footwedge;484068 wrote:He explains in detail what Christianity is supposed to be...and he has it right unlike the douchebag that wanted a national "burn the Qur'an" party.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/13/100506/pentecostals-reject-florida-pastors.html
Even with your tirade about "fundamentals" on the other thread, I believe you will find that most "fundamentals" (Baptists, etc) believe just like this pastor here.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Sep 15, 2010 1:49pm
ts1227;484812 wrote:If I burnt a Bible, I don't think Christians would exactly brush it off. They may not kill people, but the reaction will still most likely be irrational.
I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Sep 15, 2010 1:59pm
fish82;484901 wrote:I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.
thats because 75% of christians in the US are moderate christians, you know, all the good none of the bad. its really convenient for those not crazy enough to jump all the way in.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Sep 15, 2010 4:15pm
fish82;484901 wrote:I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.
I'd say higher and I'm a self-admitted Christian. Not only that, I believe the very collection of books the person burns is accurate, inerrant in it's original autographs and most certainly is the Word and revelation of God.
I'd even buy the Bible!
believer
Posts: 8,153
Sep 15, 2010 5:24pm
Count me as one of the 75%. You want to burn the Bible as some sort of political and/or religious statement, fine by me. After all, until you've read and understood the profound wisdom of God's Word within, it's just printed & bound paper. There's nothing mystical attached to the object itself.fish82;484901 wrote:I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.
Your loss so to speak.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Sep 15, 2010 9:00pm
We are just not as ignorant.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 16, 2010 8:47am
ptown_trojans_1;484255 wrote:Since it is not on paper, nothing.
For some reason it is the paper and the actual presence of the book as the word of God that Muslims make so sacred.
Good for this guy. Burning any book is not the way to go.
Is this a known fact or are you just assuming.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 16, 2010 9:36am
bases_loaded;485719 wrote:Is this a known fact or are you just assuming.
Well, it comes from my discussions with Muslims, two courses on the Qur'an, my knowledge of Arabic, travel in the Middle East, and general readings.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 16, 2010 10:02am
ptown_trojans_1;485755 wrote:Well, it comes from my discussions with Muslims, two courses on the Qur'an, my knowledge of Arabic, travel in the Middle East, and general readings.
So words on paper printed by a machine = holy and untouchable. Words displayed by machine are not holy.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 16, 2010 10:16am
bases_loaded;485777 wrote:So words on paper printed by a machine = holy and untouchable. Words displayed by machine are not holy.
Generally, that's what I've found out. It is by no means the definite answer though.
It is kind of hard to explain, as the very notion of the book in your hand that is printed in the Arabic script (sense it is considered perfect Arabic) does take a Holy and spiritual meaning to Muslims. Much like the Torah to Jews really. It is like a way to get closer to God, or a link to God perhaps, much like prayer, but different.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Sep 16, 2010 10:23am
You are holding the kindle as well. I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to understand the logic.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Sep 16, 2010 10:30am
bases_loaded;485799 wrote:You are holding the kindle as well. I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to understand the logic.
True, but it is not printed or the actual ink on the page, so that may be the difference.
But, it is an interesting notion to talk with an Imam and get a view.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 16, 2010 10:31am
I don't think it's the physical burning of a book that angers people. It's the fact that in a way you are denouncing their belief system. I liken it to the burning of an American flag, it's not the flag itself, it's the perception that you hate America by burning the national symbol.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Sep 16, 2010 12:24pm
Aha! Another dangerous, hate-spewing, war-mongering fundamentalist!cruiser_96;485093 wrote:I'd say higher and I'm a self-admitted Christian. Not only that, I believe the very collection of books the person burns is accurate, inerrant in it's original autographs and most certainly is the Word and revelation of God.
I'd even buy the Bible!
Just kidding, btw. I agree with you.
se-alum;485810 wrote:I don't think it's the physical burning of a book that angers people. It's the fact that in a way you are denouncing their belief system. I liken it to the burning of an American flag, it's not the flag itself, it's the perception that you hate America by burning the national symbol.
I agree, but what would happen if, every time Christianity, or Christ, or the Bible were ridiculed, mocked, etc. in America, Christians responded as quickly and (dare I say) violently as Muslims have when their holy book is desecrated, or someone draws a cartoon of Mohammed?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Sep 16, 2010 6:30pm
Footwedge;484068 wrote:He explains in detail what Christianity is supposed to be...and he has it right unlike the douchebag that wanted a national "burn the Qur'an" party.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/13/100506/pentecostals-reject-florida-pastors.html
I'm guessing that calling someone a "douchebag' is your way of saying I love you?
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Sep 17, 2010 11:29pm
Skyhook79;486409 wrote:I'm guessing that calling someone a "douchebag' is your way of saying I love you?
You're another douchebag...and I'll always love you.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Sep 20, 2010 7:06pm
ptown_trojans_1;484255 wrote:Since it is not on paper, nothing.
For some reason it is the paper and the actual presence of the book as the word of God that Muslims make so sacred.
Good for this guy. Burning any book is not the way to go.
It shouldn't make it banned or illegal, if any person is so sensitive that they can't handle this type of offensive speech, they don't belong in the U.S. People can be jerks, but this is no way similar to the proverbial "fire in a crowded theater" limits on free speech. That decision involved a rational behavior in a response to a false speech known to cause that rational behavior. Behaving like an idiot when something is performed that doesn't affect your physical being or potentially affects your physical being is irrational.