This Pentecostal Pastor Says No to Qur'an Burning

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Sep 14, 2010 8:08 PM
What happens if you buy the Koran on your Kindle and destroy it after reading? via - deleting
Sep 14, 2010 8:08pm
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Sep 14, 2010 8:17 PM
rydawg5;484234 wrote:What happens if you buy the Koran on your Kindle and destroy it after reading? via - deleting

Since it is not on paper, nothing.
For some reason it is the paper and the actual presence of the book as the word of God that Muslims make so sacred.

Good for this guy. Burning any book is not the way to go.
Sep 14, 2010 8:17pm
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Sep 14, 2010 8:41 PM
Agreed that burning any book is for the most part, pretty dumb. That being said, the Muslim community should consider lightening up a tad about people doing stuff to their book.
Sep 14, 2010 8:41pm
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Sep 14, 2010 10:25 PM
^^^^ This.
Sep 14, 2010 10:25pm
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fish82;484295 wrote:Agreed that burning any book is for the most part, pretty dumb. That being said, the Muslim community should consider lightening up a tad about people doing stuff to their book.

Sounds good but once again we're applying rational cause and effect secular Western thinking to a culture built upon oftentimes irrational yet deeply held religious beliefs...beliefs that can lead some of its more radical elements to martyr themselves in the name of God.

Asking the followers of the religion of peace to calmly ignore the filthy infidels who burn their religious teachings is like asking a child to not play with matches. Sooner or later someone gets burned.
Sep 15, 2010 5:25am
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Sep 15, 2010 11:26 AM
Yeah, they're the only ones who are irrational.
Sep 15, 2010 11:26am
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Sep 15, 2010 12:36 PM
fish82;484295 wrote:Agreed that burning any book is for the most part, pretty dumb. That being said, the Muslim community should consider lightening up a tad about people doing stuff to their book.
If I burnt a Bible, I don't think Christians would exactly brush it off. They may not kill people, but the reaction will still most likely be irrational.
Sep 15, 2010 12:36pm
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Sep 15, 2010 1:32 PM
Footwedge;484068 wrote:He explains in detail what Christianity is supposed to be...and he has it right unlike the douchebag that wanted a national "burn the Qur'an" party.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/13/100506/pentecostals-reject-florida-pastors.html

Even with your tirade about "fundamentals" on the other thread, I believe you will find that most "fundamentals" (Baptists, etc) believe just like this pastor here.
Sep 15, 2010 1:32pm
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Sep 15, 2010 1:49 PM
ts1227;484812 wrote:If I burnt a Bible, I don't think Christians would exactly brush it off. They may not kill people, but the reaction will still most likely be irrational.

I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.
Sep 15, 2010 1:49pm
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Sep 15, 2010 1:59 PM
fish82;484901 wrote:I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.

thats because 75% of christians in the US are moderate christians, you know, all the good none of the bad. its really convenient for those not crazy enough to jump all the way in.
Sep 15, 2010 1:59pm
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Sep 15, 2010 4:15 PM
fish82;484901 wrote:I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.

I'd say higher and I'm a self-admitted Christian. Not only that, I believe the very collection of books the person burns is accurate, inerrant in it's original autographs and most certainly is the Word and revelation of God.

I'd even buy the Bible!
Sep 15, 2010 4:15pm
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Sep 15, 2010 5:24 PM
fish82;484901 wrote:I'd wager 75% of Christians (in the US anyway) wouldn't even give a shit.
Count me as one of the 75%. You want to burn the Bible as some sort of political and/or religious statement, fine by me. After all, until you've read and understood the profound wisdom of God's Word within, it's just printed & bound paper. There's nothing mystical attached to the object itself.

Your loss so to speak.
Sep 15, 2010 5:24pm
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Sep 15, 2010 9:00 PM
We are just not as ignorant.
Sep 15, 2010 9:00pm
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Sep 16, 2010 8:47 AM
ptown_trojans_1;484255 wrote:Since it is not on paper, nothing.
For some reason it is the paper and the actual presence of the book as the word of God that Muslims make so sacred.

Good for this guy. Burning any book is not the way to go.

Is this a known fact or are you just assuming.
Sep 16, 2010 8:47am
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Sep 16, 2010 9:36 AM
bases_loaded;485719 wrote:Is this a known fact or are you just assuming.

Well, it comes from my discussions with Muslims, two courses on the Qur'an, my knowledge of Arabic, travel in the Middle East, and general readings.
Sep 16, 2010 9:36am
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Sep 16, 2010 10:02 AM
ptown_trojans_1;485755 wrote:Well, it comes from my discussions with Muslims, two courses on the Qur'an, my knowledge of Arabic, travel in the Middle East, and general readings.

So words on paper printed by a machine = holy and untouchable. Words displayed by machine are not holy.
Sep 16, 2010 10:02am
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Sep 16, 2010 10:16 AM
bases_loaded;485777 wrote:So words on paper printed by a machine = holy and untouchable. Words displayed by machine are not holy.

Generally, that's what I've found out. It is by no means the definite answer though.

It is kind of hard to explain, as the very notion of the book in your hand that is printed in the Arabic script (sense it is considered perfect Arabic) does take a Holy and spiritual meaning to Muslims. Much like the Torah to Jews really. It is like a way to get closer to God, or a link to God perhaps, much like prayer, but different.
Sep 16, 2010 10:16am
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Sep 16, 2010 10:23 AM
You are holding the kindle as well. I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to understand the logic.
Sep 16, 2010 10:23am
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Sep 16, 2010 10:30 AM
bases_loaded;485799 wrote:You are holding the kindle as well. I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to understand the logic.

True, but it is not printed or the actual ink on the page, so that may be the difference.
But, it is an interesting notion to talk with an Imam and get a view.
Sep 16, 2010 10:30am
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Sep 16, 2010 10:31 AM
I don't think it's the physical burning of a book that angers people. It's the fact that in a way you are denouncing their belief system. I liken it to the burning of an American flag, it's not the flag itself, it's the perception that you hate America by burning the national symbol.
Sep 16, 2010 10:31am
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Sep 16, 2010 12:24 PM
cruiser_96;485093 wrote:I'd say higher and I'm a self-admitted Christian. Not only that, I believe the very collection of books the person burns is accurate, inerrant in it's original autographs and most certainly is the Word and revelation of God.

I'd even buy the Bible!
Aha! Another dangerous, hate-spewing, war-mongering fundamentalist!

Just kidding, btw. I agree with you.
se-alum;485810 wrote:I don't think it's the physical burning of a book that angers people. It's the fact that in a way you are denouncing their belief system. I liken it to the burning of an American flag, it's not the flag itself, it's the perception that you hate America by burning the national symbol.

I agree, but what would happen if, every time Christianity, or Christ, or the Bible were ridiculed, mocked, etc. in America, Christians responded as quickly and (dare I say) violently as Muslims have when their holy book is desecrated, or someone draws a cartoon of Mohammed?
Sep 16, 2010 12:24pm
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Sep 16, 2010 6:30 PM
Footwedge;484068 wrote:He explains in detail what Christianity is supposed to be...and he has it right unlike the douchebag that wanted a national "burn the Qur'an" party.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/09/13/100506/pentecostals-reject-florida-pastors.html



I'm guessing that calling someone a "douchebag' is your way of saying I love you?
Sep 16, 2010 6:30pm
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Sep 17, 2010 11:29 PM
Skyhook79;486409 wrote:I'm guessing that calling someone a "douchebag' is your way of saying I love you?

You're another douchebag...and I'll always love you.
Sep 17, 2010 11:29pm
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Sep 20, 2010 7:06 PM
ptown_trojans_1;484255 wrote:Since it is not on paper, nothing.
For some reason it is the paper and the actual presence of the book as the word of God that Muslims make so sacred.

Good for this guy. Burning any book is not the way to go.

It shouldn't make it banned or illegal, if any person is so sensitive that they can't handle this type of offensive speech, they don't belong in the U.S. People can be jerks, but this is no way similar to the proverbial "fire in a crowded theater" limits on free speech. That decision involved a rational behavior in a response to a false speech known to cause that rational behavior. Behaving like an idiot when something is performed that doesn't affect your physical being or potentially affects your physical being is irrational.
Sep 20, 2010 7:06pm