LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 3:38pm
Hb31187;488266 wrote:I agree that Michigan has to work on D... A LOT. But Michigans offense is better than last year and last year it was among the tops in the big 10
Denard is better than Tate, but that is all you can say. They haven't played a D that can really give you a read on how good they are.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Sep 18, 2010 3:39pm
LJ;488268 wrote:Denard is better than Tate, but that is all you can say. They haven't played a D that can really give you a read on how good they are.
Denard is far better than tate and we brought back our best Wr's from last year along with our best offensive lineman(Molk) and a stable of running backs. How would the offense not be better?
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dtdtim
Posts: 358
Sep 18, 2010 3:41pm
Hb31187;488266 wrote:I agree that Michigan has to work on D... A LOT. But Michigans offense is better than last year and last year it was among the tops in the big 10
Although they had a 'top' offense last year, they finished 1-7 in the Big 10. Without defensive improvement they can improve upon last year's record by maybe 2 games.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 3:42pm
Hb31187;488271 wrote:Denard is far better than tate and we brought back our best Wr's from last year along with our best offensive lineman(Molk) and a stable of running backs. How would the offense not be better?
Who said it is worse? I am not convinced that this offense alone can beat the likes of Penn State, Iowa, Wisky, MSU or OSU, all of whom have top defenses in the country
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Sep 18, 2010 3:44pm
And aside from Ohio state, none of those teams you listed really have that great of offenses either
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dtdtim
Posts: 358
Sep 18, 2010 3:44pm
LJ;488274 wrote:Who said it is worse? I am not convinced that this offense alone can beat the likes of Penn State, Iowa, Wisky, MSU or OSU, all of whom have top defenses in the country
This.
The offense looks very good. But the offense alone will not make Michigan a contender and/or give Robinson the Heisman.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Sep 18, 2010 3:45pm
I'll take a win no matter what the score is. Why are so many OSU fans enthralled with Michigan?
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dtdtim
Posts: 358
Sep 18, 2010 3:46pm
dave;488277 wrote:I'll take a win no matter what the score is. Why are so many OSU fans enthralled with Michigan?
Our game pretty much went as planned. Nothing to talk about.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Sep 18, 2010 3:46pm
dtdtim;488276 wrote:This.
The offense looks very good. But the offense alone will not make Michigan a contender and/or give Robinson the Heisman.
Offense alone sure won it for Tebow with a mediocre defense and a decent record....
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 3:46pm
Hb31187;488275 wrote:And aside from Ohio state, none of those teams you listed really have that great of offenses either
?? They have GREAT defenses that will slow UM down enough and UM's defense won't be able to stop their offenses. UM ends up 7-5
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 3:47pm
Hb31187;488280 wrote:Offense alone sure won it for Tebow with a mediocre defense and a decent record....
Your defense is in the bottom 15 in the country. Their defense was in the top 50 those years. HUGE difference
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Sep 18, 2010 3:47pm
LJ;488282 wrote:?? They have GREAT defenses that will slow UM down enough and UM's defense won't be able to stop their offenses. UM ends up 7-5
If you say so. Of all those teams you listed, only 1 is int he top 29 in terms of ppg defense in the nation
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Sep 18, 2010 3:51pm
LJ;488284 wrote:Your defense is in the bottom 15 in the country. Their defense was in the top 50 those years. HUGE difference
Not in points per game which is all that really matters, yards dont matter its what goes up on the scoreboard
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 18, 2010 3:58pm
It's very possible that Robinson is the real deal, however, I distinctly remember "Forcier for Heisman" talk at this time last year. Michigan fans won't know if Denard is the one or not, until he faces the Big 10 schedule. I would think UM fans would be very cautiously optimistic until Robinson proves he can do it against good teams. Like I said on the other thread, I want Robinson and UM to be good!
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 18, 2010 4:01pm
se, we all distinctly remember the "Pryor for Heisman" talk for the past 2+ years as well too don't we? It goes both ways. Fan bases and talking heads are going to get excited when players put up big numbers early. The Pryor talk started last year before he played a game and we all saw how that worked out. Let people talk how they want to talk.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 4:01pm
Hb31187;488289 wrote:Not in points per game which is all that really matters, yards dont matter its what goes up on the scoreboard
scrub time.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 4:02pm
Hb31187;488285 wrote:If you say so. Of all those teams you listed, only 1 is int he top 29 in terms of ppg defense in the nation
Let's put some cash on it? see who is correct.
I remember before rich rod's first year i said he would go 3-9 and I was labeled a loon by the likes of you and the other UM fans. Who was right then?
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Sep 18, 2010 4:06pm
Hb31187;488280 wrote:Offense alone sure won it for Tebow with a mediocre defense and a decent record....
The year Tebow won the Heisman with a 4 loss record was the worst record a Heisman winner had had in something like 20+ years. That was rare...but Tebow put up HUGE numbers that year. Robinson is obviously off to a great start. But he and UM will have to do this against much better defenses coming up for him to have a chance to win the Heisman with the talent around the country now. Tebow did't have the competition that Robinson will have. Still A LOT of football to be played.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 18, 2010 4:16pm
I'm not sure what your point is. I was expressing my opinion on UM's QB situation. Terrelle Pryor has nothing to do with it.karen lotz;488292 wrote:se, we all distinctly remember the "Pryor for Heisman" talk for the past 2+ years as well too don't we? It goes both ways. Fan bases and talking heads are going to get excited when players put up big numbers early. The Pryor talk started last year before he played a game and we all saw how that worked out. Let people talk how they want to talk.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 4:17pm
se-alum;488311 wrote:I'm not sure what your point is. I was expressing my opinion on UM's QB situation. Terrelle Pryor has nothing to do with it.
He just wanted to get his normal off topic shot at OSU in. I am waiting for him to bring up Notre Dame now
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 18, 2010 4:19pm
I was talking about Heisman hype, it wasn't a shot at anyone. Christ OSU won by 90 today and you guys are still edgy.se-alum;488311 wrote:I'm not sure what your point is. I was expressing my opinion on UM's QB situation. Terrelle Pryor has nothing to do with it.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Sep 18, 2010 4:21pm
karen lotz;488314 wrote:I was talking about Heisman hype, it wasn't a shot at anyone. Christ OSU won by 90 today and you guys are still edgy.
No, UM gave up 439 yards and barely beat 1-AA Umass and we are LOLing
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 18, 2010 4:23pm
I lol'd too.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Sep 18, 2010 4:25pm
Personally, I am glad to see UM at 3-0. Its better for the Big Ten, its better for OSU and its obviously better for the OSU/UM rivaly if they continue to do well. I still don't believe they are quite a top 25 team nor do I think Robinson will win the Heisman. But I don't blame UM fan excitement at all. Things obviously look up for UM right now.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 18, 2010 4:28pm
karen lotz;488314 wrote:I was talking about Heisman hype, it wasn't a shot at anyone. Christ OSU won by 90 today and you guys are still edgy.
I know what you were talking about, but my post didn't have anything to do w/ Heisman hype. It was about how UM fans should probably be cautiously optimistic after last year. The "Forcier for Heisman" was brought up to show how much of an overinflated confidence you can get from some good performances against mediocre teams.