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Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM
That would just ruin the game. Who else would Charlie Manuel spit all over?
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Aug 18, 2010 11:51 PM
gerb131;455723 wrote:True dat. Bag sensors I can deal with.

Why would bag sensors be okay and electronic balls and strikes not be? I completely fail to understand that logic! The balls and strikes much more are making an unfair game.
Aug 18, 2010 11:51pm
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Aug 18, 2010 11:54 PM
Not every base has an umpire that can be there and definitively make a call either way. Balls and strikes should be somewhat arbitrary to the umpire. Some call a strike when a ball is a bit high or outside and some don't. Hitters would know and watch the tape it would be like throwing into one of those things at the fair and take the true art of pitching out of it.
Aug 18, 2010 11:54pm
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Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM
Electronic balls and strikes would ruin the human aspect of sport.
Aug 18, 2010 11:56pm
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Aug 18, 2010 11:57 PM
wildcats20;455730 wrote:Electronic balls and strikes would ruin the human aspect of sport.

Thanks for putting that in 11 words or fewer.
Aug 18, 2010 11:57pm
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Aug 18, 2010 11:58 PM
mhs95_06;455724 wrote:Do you mind explaining why?

I enjoy the dynamic an ump brings to a game. Players have to adjust. I go to probably 15-20 Reds games and another 5-10 Dragons/Bats games every year and I don't want to look at a scoreboard to see if a pitch was a ball or strike. I really don't see how it would benefit the game, you still have to have a home plate ump to make other calls. What if you have technology issues, do you delay the game or have the ump start calling? It would be impossible to set up the technology the exact same in every park so I don't see how it would be an improvement. The umps are part of the game.
Aug 18, 2010 11:58pm
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Aug 18, 2010 11:58 PM
lol @ gerb

I'm ok with instant replay in football and in some instances in baseball and basketball. Outside of that let the men who you put IN CHARGE of calling a game, call the game.
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Aug 18, 2010 11:59 PM
gerb131;455728 wrote:Not every base has an umpire that can be there and definitively make a call either way. Balls and strikes should be somewhat arbitrary to the umpire. Some call a strike when a ball is a bit high or outside and some don't. Hitters would know and watch the tape it would be like throwing into one of those things at the fair and take the true art of pitching out of it.

So you are saying the true art of pitching is trying to find the place the umpire gives you something? What garbage, the true art of pitching should be to get the batter out by throwing it in the real defined strike zone according to the rules. We are cheating skilled hitters that know the strike zone much better than the hitters. That was truly a travesty to call out Drew on that last pitch by Bray that was off the plate!
Aug 18, 2010 11:59pm
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Aug 19, 2010 12:00 AM
Baseball has had ONE man each game call balls and strikes for how many years??? If it ain't broke(which it's NOT), DON'T fix it.
Aug 19, 2010 12:00am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:00 AM
wildcats20;455734 wrote:lol @ gerb

I'm ok with instant replay in football and in some instances in baseball and basketball. Outside of that let the men who you put IN CHARGE of calling a game, call the game.

Why should we not get it right if you can get it right , even in less time?
Aug 19, 2010 12:00am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:01 AM
wildcats20;455737 wrote:Baseball has had ONE man each game call balls and strikes for how many years??? If it ain't broke(which it's NOT), DON'T fix it.

That is my point, it is broke!
Aug 19, 2010 12:01am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:04 AM
You do realize the strike zone isn't the same size for every batter right? How would it determine the zone for guys who haven't been in the league before? Everyone has different proportions from foot to knee to chest. People also have different stances that slightly change the zone.
Aug 19, 2010 12:04am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:12 AM
dave;455733 wrote:I enjoy the dynamic an ump brings to a game. Players have to adjust. I go to probably 15-20 Reds games and another 5-10 Dragons/Bats games every year and I don't want to look at a scoreboard to see if a pitch was a ball or strike. I really don't see how it would benefit the game, you still have to have a home plate ump to make other calls. What if you have technology issues, do you delay the game or have the ump start calling? It would be impossible to set up the technology the exact same in every park so I don't see how it would be an improvement. The umps are part of the game.

Maybe you can't set it up the same in every park the same with the angles, elevations and such, but with the magic of computers I think the same info can be gleaned from some acceptable angle and generate equivalent calls. If the tech goes out, then do like when the scoreboard goes out in a timed game, either delay the game or wait till it is fixed. It shouldn't be that often. How many times since they've reviewed close home run calls have the umps came out and said "we didn't have any replays as it was out, so we are sticking with the ruling on the field"? You could let the computer call the balls and strikes by a buzz to the umpire to raise his right arm. Or give each team 5 challenges of called balls and strikes, and they only lose a challenge when they are wrong. Just like in tennis, when the challenge is requested, the ruling is almost instantaneous. But I favor calling them electronically outright thru the umpire buzz!
Aug 19, 2010 12:12am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:14 AM
dave;455741 wrote:You do realize the strike zone isn't the same size for every batter right? How would it determine the zone for guys who haven't been in the league before? Everyone has different proportions from foot to knee to chest. People also have different stances that slightly change the zone.

Each one is measured and it programmed into the computer before he steps on the field for the first time.
Aug 19, 2010 12:14am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:15 AM
mhs95_06;455748 wrote:Each one is measured and it programmed into the computer before he steps on the field for the first time.

lol so what about the guy they call up RIGHT before a game?? Oh hey guy you can't hit yet we need to measure you.
Aug 19, 2010 12:15am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:15 AM
Maybe Smith will go down to make room for Wood after that two run bomb breaking it open for AZ.
Aug 19, 2010 12:15am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:17 AM
Baseball is already one of the declining sports(in terms of popularity) in America. Electronic balls and strikes would put it even farther down the list of popular sports.
Aug 19, 2010 12:17am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:18 AM
wildcats20;455749 wrote:lol so what about the guy they call up RIGHT before a game?? Oh hey guy you can't hit yet we need to measure you.

Yep, he is obligated to be measured at least a half hour before he comes to the plate! And the rule should be changed to some sort of relationship to his dimensions standing straight up, so there are no advantages from what posture you take in your stance.
Aug 19, 2010 12:18am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:19 AM
mhs95_06;455754 wrote:Yep, he is obligated to be measured at least a half hour before he comes to the plate! And the rule should be changed to some sort of relationship to his dimensions standing straight up, so there are no advantages from what posture you take in your stance.

aka changing the rules of baseball. Not a good move.

And what if he is called up before a game, not expected to play; but comes in the 9th inning for a PH situation???
Aug 19, 2010 12:19am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:19 AM
I understand your viewpoint mhs but I completely disagree so I don't really want it to turn into an arguement.
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Aug 19, 2010 12:19 AM
wildcats20;455752 wrote:Baseball is already one of the declining sports(in terms of popularity) in America. Electronic balls and strikes would put it even farther down the list of popular sports.

I don't see why, you'd be better seeing the true skills of the batter and the pitcher which is the crux of the game!
Aug 19, 2010 12:19am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:20 AM
Reds trying to get up off the mat!
Aug 19, 2010 12:20am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:23 AM
IMO, it would turn the game of baseball into a video game. Why even have umps at all?? Just have everything called from a computer.
Aug 19, 2010 12:23am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:25 AM
wildcats20;455762 wrote:IMO, it would turn the game of baseball into a video game. Why even have umps at all?? Just have everything called from a computer.

haha I actually was about to mention the video game feel too but decided to drop it.


need a big hit from Nix here!
Aug 19, 2010 12:25am
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Aug 19, 2010 12:25 AM
How about Janish takes off on the first move on the first pitch by the lefty?
Aug 19, 2010 12:25am