http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=204974903

Would be pretty nice to see him have a Heisman type season and still return for his senior season as well.

Would be good for OSU if he did but a lot will happen from now until its time to really make that decision.


http://www.ohiochatter.com/threads/4747-From-His-Mouth-Gibson-is-returning-to-OSU

He has to stay all four years to get a good draft spot. He still needs a lot of work since he really only has 2 years of QB training under his belt (he had zero in HS).

TP seems to be making a Troy Smith transformation maturity-wise.

se-alum;446325 wrote:TP seems to be making a Troy Smith transformation maturity-wise.

I've always thought Pryor was fairly mature for his age. I am going to go with more of a confidence boost in Pryor heading into this season. People around him have confidence that Pryor can lead the Buckeyes this year and I believe its rubbing off on Pryor.

He has seemed very level headed and focused this summer.

devil1197;446249 wrote:He has to stay all four years to get a good draft spot. He still needs a lot of work since he really only has 2 years of QB training under his belt (he had zero in HS).

The word HAS is too strong of a term to use. Vince Young had very comparable numbers his soph year and all it took was a spectacular junior year to vault into the top 10, something that is very possible if Pryor does what Vince did and leads us to a championship.

I hope to god he sticks by that statement... if not, a lot of people are going to throw it back in his face

I hope he does, but its not like OSU will be in bad shape if he doesn't. I don't think you make a statement like that without truly believing it.

When I was talking to him on Friday, I said "Are you going to bring another Heisman to Ohio State?" His reply, "I'll just take some wins."

That's the attitude I want hime to have. Team before self, that wins championships.

First off, there is no way he leaves after this season. He just isn't made to be a pro QB. I do think after a couple more years he will find a place in the NFL, but I don't see it after this season.

Secondly, he seems to have really been groomed by Tressel. He really seems to be saying the right things and has bought into everything that Tressel is all about. It's really promising to see something like that with a young kid who came in with all the hype, yet has bought into the "system".

good post,dynasty--I actually agree with you on everything except the "he isn't made to be a pro QB"--the jury's still out with me on that one.

Pryor is going to stay four years? Yeah, sure he will.

Why wouldn't he stay all 4 years?

With the labor situation or possible situation next year in the NFL it might be in his best interest to stay his senior year.

lhslep134;446342 wrote:The word HAS is too strong of a term to use. Vince Young had very comparable numbers his soph year and all it took was a spectacular junior year to vault into the top 10, something that is very possible if Pryor does what Vince did and leads us to a championship.

Correct. He has the potential to make that kind of leap this year and vault himself into the NFL. Pryor obviously has the physical tools to be great, but where he seems to lack mentally at times, and that's what holds him back. I would say that this could be a major issue except that Vince Young is one of the biggest head cases I've ever seen and he's managed to do alright. The biggest thing that will hold him back in the draft is that the NFL tried the mobile QB thing for a while and it never really worked out great for anyone. The NFL is a passing league now. Pryor has never been a true running QB like Vince Young or Mike Vick, he's always been more of a mobile passing QB while at OSU (a la Troy Smith his junior and senior seasons). If he maintains that mentality and practices better decision making, then he could set himself up as a top QB in the draft after this season (especially since Locker and the kid from Houston are the only big-time QB's coming out this year that I can think of). However, it's likely that he will need to be here one more season to be a good draft choice.

krambman;447210 wrote:Correct. He has the potential to make that kind of leap this year and vault himself into the NFL. Pryor obviously has the physical tools to be great, but where he seems to lack mentally at times, and that's what holds him back. I would say that this could be a major issue except that Vince Young is one of the biggest head cases I've ever seen and he's managed to do alright. The biggest thing that will hold him back in the draft is that the NFL tried the mobile QB thing for a while and it never really worked out great for anyone. The NFL is a passing league now. Pryor has never been a true running QB like Vince Young or Mike Vick, he's always been more of a mobile passing QB while at OSU (a la Troy Smith his junior and senior seasons). If he maintains that mentality and practices better decision making, then he could set himself up as a top QB in the draft after this season (especially since Locker and the kid from Houston are the only big-time QB's coming out this year that I can think of). However, it's likely that he will need to be here one more season to be a good draft choice.

Don't forget Andrew Luck from Stanford too.


The only thing I disagree with, and I only disagree with it because I want to see it implemented throughout a whole season, is your comment that running QBs failed in the NFL.

Last year once the Titans started out embarassingly awful with Collins and moved to VY, they also implemented an option attack with both Young and Chris Johnson and it worked spectacularly. If the Titans use it once again this year to great success over the course of the season then I think you will find that teams could be much more willing to draft Pryor high with the hopes they can also implement a running system. Considering a large amount of the Titans option plays came from the Pistol, and that OSU already has the Pistol installed in their offense says to me that if the Titans can prove the options not a fluke, Pryors chances for NFL success are much greater than they would be otherwise (assuming he has a good junior year, knock on wood).

I'm honestly really surprised that anyone would think Pryor would leave after this season. I think he's a good player and could be a great college QB, but he really only had one game last season that would lead anyone to believe he has a shot at the NFL. Now I'm not bashing him or saying he doesn't have potential, but I think some of you are forgetting how bad he looked in some games and how little Tressel trusted him in other games. I think he makes dramatic improvement this year with it being his 3rd year in the system, but all the "leaving early" talk is very premature.

Vince Young also said he was going to stay at Texas for his senior year and didm't. He said that after his junior season as well, point is, I'll believe it when I see it.

thedynasty1998;447254 wrote:I'm honestly really surprised that anyone would think Pryor would leave after this season. I think he's a good player and could be a great college QB, but he really only had one game last season that would lead anyone to believe he has a shot at the NFL. Now I'm not bashing him or saying he doesn't have potential, but I think some of you are forgetting how bad he looked in some games and how little Tressel trusted him in other games. I think he makes dramatic improvement this year with it being his 3rd year in the system, but all the "leaving early" talk is very premature.

The only problem is you're literally saying the EXACT same things that were said about Vince Young. Vince Young had 1 good game his sophomore year, his Rose Bowl victory over scUM.

Yr Tm C A % Yds td int rat

2004 TEX 148 250 59.2 1849 12 11 128.37

2009 osu 167 295 56.6 2094 18 11 128.91


Therefore, it can't be absurd to think Pryor could leave after this year (if he has a great year) because Vince did the same exact thing.

lhslep134;447247 wrote:Considering a large amount of the Titans option plays came from the Pistol, and that OSU already has the Pistol installed in their offense says to me that if the Titans can prove the options not a fluke, Pryors chances for NFL success are much greater than they would be otherwise (assuming he has a good junior year, knock on wood).

But that also assumes that just because the Titans have a little success with it that other teams are going to suddenly start implementing the set and be looking for a quarterback to run it. My opinion is that it isn't going to spread that quickly and right now, Pryor isn't going to be one of those "gotta have" guys just because he can run a gimmick. Doesn't mean he won't succeed, I'm just saying I don't think the Titans relative success is going to have any impact on whether or not Pryor succeeds.

lhslep134;447261 wrote:The only problem is you're literally saying the EXACT same things that were said about Vince Young. Vince Young had 1 good game his sophomore year, his Rose Bowl victory over scUM.

Yr Tm C A % Yds td int rat

2004 TEX 148 250 59.2 1849 12 11 128.37

2009 osu 167 295 56.6 2094 18 11 128.91


Therefore, it can't be absurd to think Pryor could leave after this year (if he has a great year) because Vince did the same exact thing.

People could have said the same exact things about Juice Williams or various other QBs who never amounted to anything after college. One example of success certainly doesn't make it the norm.

enigmaax;447267 wrote:People could have said the same exact things about Juice Williams or various other QBs who never amounted to anything after college. One example of success certainly doesn't make it the norm.

Exactly. Just because he's a big black QB, doesn't mean he's going to progress exactly the same way as Vince Young. It's unfair to compare the two. Certainly Young proved it was possible to make huge strides, but let's not pretend that is the norm.

With that said, I do expect big things from Pryor, but I also expect Tressel to protect him this year with running the ball and playing defense. I see a few games where Pryor only throws the ball 10 times or so.

enigmaax;447264 wrote:But that also assumes that just because the Titans have a little success with it that other teams are going to suddenly start implementing the set and be looking for a quarterback to run it. My opinion is that it isn't going to spread that quickly and right now, Pryor isn't going to be one of those "gotta have" guys just because he can run a gimmick. Doesn't mean he won't succeed, I'm just saying I don't think the Titans relative success is going to have any impact on whether or not Pryor succeeds.

Okay and we're talking about the NFL here where if one thing works well for a team other teams are going to try and mimic it. Look at the Wildcat. Point proven.

Obviously the option isn't going to spread quickly because there's no other QBs to run it, besides Vick. You gonna run the option with Peyton Manning? Hell no, so therefore your rebuttal is irrelevant and doesn't disprove my point that Pryor will be a hot commodity to someone.

I'd also like to add that Pat White was drafted in the 2nd round for the sole reason of trying him out in Wildcat because he can throw. So yes, teams do draft commodities high because they're rare. If a team thinks they can run the option successfully with Pryor, which IMO with a lot of improvement throwing the ball he can, then he will certainly be a high pick.

enigmaax;447267 wrote:People could have said the same exact things about Juice Williams or various other QBs who never amounted to anything after college. One example of success certainly doesn't make it the norm.

But people DIDN'T say those things about those quarterbacks. You hear Juice Williams compared to Vince Young? No. But do you hear Pryor compared to Vince Young? All the time. Even by Mack Brown.

Once again, your point is irrelevant because we're talking about Pryor and Young here, not Young and any other quarterback, because TP is the one most comparable to Vince Young.

enigmaax;447267 wrote:People could have said the same exact things about Juice Williams or various other QBs who never amounted to anything after college. One example of success certainly doesn't make it the norm.

Juice Williams is by far the worst example you could have given.

His play declined over his 4 years at Illinois to the point that he was removed several times as the QB. No shit he didn't amount to anything after college, he was shit in college after the Rose Bowl season.