Writerbuckeye;446113 wrote:This piece is written by two Muslims and was carried a couple days ago in the Ottawa newspaper. It's an excellent piece on how they believe Americans are being hoodwinked by this proposal, and how the Koran strictly forbids this type of mischief.

An except:

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna"

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/cars/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html

ptown_trojans_1;452904 wrote:I see no problem building the thing. Then again, I see no problem with Islam and the head of the center.

IggyPride00;453026 wrote:In Islam it is somewhat of a tradition to build a mosque on a site of conquest. This should make for a nice recruiting tool for Al Qaeda.

ptown_trojans_1;452987 wrote:I know 2 things. 1. He came out against the 9/11 attack and other attacks. 2. In order to win against al Qaeda who need the support of moderate Muslims. If you alienate them, then they more likely join the radical side, or do nothing to help you in the long run.

Much like the Cold War, the U.S. may need to ally itself with people that aren't radical, but aren't squeaky clean either. Now, he may have a history that borders radical in some circles, but he is against the definition of jihad the al Qaeda preaches.

ptown_trojans_1;452987 wrote:I know 2 things. 1. He came out against the 9/11 attack and other attacks. 2. In order to win against al Qaeda who need the support of moderate Muslims. If you alienate them, then they more likely join the radical side, or do nothing to help you in the long run.

Much like the Cold War, the U.S. may need to ally itself with people that aren't radical, but aren't squeaky clean either. Now, he may have a history that borders radical in some circles, but he is against the definition of jihad the al Qaeda preaches.

Belly35;453040 wrote:Should we bow also?
ptown_trojans_1 I like you. You bring some refreshing insight to some topics... so I'm going to say this with a little regret

Spineless .......... We are where we are by that same mentally of accepting less because the opinions are not good either way.
Set Standards of Values, Morals and don't waiver away Freedom, Pride and Common Sense for the idea of a better something...Play the hand that is give to you now not the unpredictable unknown future....that can't be reversed. This is a bad idea, bad situation and a bad group and organization doing this.... Just say NO MOTHER FUCKER don't build your tent in the face of our dead and on the dust of Proud Remember Americans.... take your money and educate those in your homeland that are uneducated bastard so they can make knowledgeable choices in life not terrorism.

jhay78;453043 wrote:I'm curious your opinion on the concept of taqiyya, which allows Muslims to be deceitful as to their true intentions:

http://callofthepatriot.blogspot.com/2010/04/it-is-all-right-to-lie-and-deceive.html
http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3:taqiyya-how-islamic-extremists-deceive-the-west&catid=2:taqiyya&Itemid=2
http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2010/04/taqiyya-dispensation-to-deceive.html

So when this imam says "We're here to build bridges" or something to that effect, could he really be saying, "We're here to rub 9/11 in America's face and build a monument to our terrorist triumph"? He can denounce terror all he wants- I don't believe him. His actions, and his refusal to call Hamas a terror organization speak louder than the BS coming out of his mouth.

ptown_trojans_1;453078 wrote:Thanks for the rant.
I don't see the big deal. Honestly. The guy is not affiliated with 9/11 or the attacks and the center will not preach Islam that is inline with al Qaeda.


Ehh, I read all those links a little differently. Of course those sites are bias and I'd like to know where they received their translations of the Qur'an.
I don't care if you believe him or not. I don't think he is a radical like OBL, but a moderate that is needed to advance the dialogue in religious discussions on how to remove the need for radical Islam.

Belly35;453094 wrote:Remove the radical Islam requires education of there people to the freedom of choice ... educate your people first .....

How will you know at is being taught within those walls ...It is not open to the public....

ptown_trojans_1;453109 wrote:If he is a threat or even preaching radical jihad Islam, our FBI and IC will be all over him.

Belly35;453143 wrote:Really!
If Illegal’s where crossing into the US our government would put a stop to this also ...
If Congress purposes Un-Constitutional Bill our government will not vote for them...
If an Individual stand outside a voting area intimating voters our government will prosecute
If the government inspector on a oil rig are not doing their job they will stop the drilling

Should I keep going…..

Belly35;453040 wrote:Should we bow also?
ptown_trojans_1 I like you. You bring some refreshing insight to some topics... so I'm going to say this with a little regret

Spineless .......... We are where we are by that same mentally of accepting less because the opinions are not good either way.
Set Standards of Values, Morals and don't waiver away Freedom, Pride and Common Sense for the idea of a better something...Play the hand that is give to you now not the unpredictable unknown future....that can't be reversed. This is a bad idea, bad situation and a bad group and organization doing this.... Just say NO MOTHER FUCKER don't build your tent in the face of our dead and on the dust of Proud Remember Americans.... take your money and educate those in your homeland that are uneducated bastard so they can make knowledgeable choices in life not terrorism.

BoatShoes;453193 wrote:I mean, does this even count as being "at ground zero?" I mean it's close by but it doesn't even look like you can see the site if you're in the proposed mosque. It seems disingenuous to at least some degree to say that it's at ground zero.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TD6qrTY5h8I/AAAAAAAA2gA/HcAkn79c-Co/s1600/GroundZeroMosqueLocation.jpg