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Jul 14, 2010 12:28 AM
Just heard on ESPN that George Steinbrenner before buying the Yankees was rejected from buying the Cleveland Indians.


its pretty pathetic when the most famous baseball players from cleveland are willie mays hayes, roger dorn, ricky "wild thing" vaughn, and pedro cerrano
Jul 14, 2010 12:28am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:33 AM
Haha, I take back my statement about your threads of late. To even address that second statement is ridiculous.
Jul 14, 2010 12:33am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:37 AM
Yeah, your second statement has to be a joke.

Also, it's pretty well known that George was denied buying the Indians, despite being from the area.
Jul 14, 2010 12:37am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:38 AM
go ask some random person to name most famous indian, willie mays hayes is getting named 3/10 times

then " wild thing" is taking 2/10
Jul 14, 2010 12:38am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:43 AM
Bob Feller will be the number one answer from any baseball fan. Lou Boudreau and Larry Doby will be there. Younger people will name Thome, Manny, and CC.
Jul 14, 2010 12:43am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:43 AM
Come on 2quik, why don't you try to actually hold rational debates? You're intelligent enough about sports to know that's not true.

Albert Belle, Sandy Alomar, Robbie Alomar, Man-Ram, Bob Feller, Kenny Lofton, Lou Boudreau, Omar Vizquel, Jim Thome, Larry Doby etc..etc..
Jul 14, 2010 12:43am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:46 AM
yea i was fucking around

the guy from my era would def be omar vizquel or sandy alomar
Jul 14, 2010 12:46am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:49 AM
Thanks a lot though. Now I can't stop thinking about how good those '90s teams were. Heartbreak city.
Jul 14, 2010 12:49am
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Jul 14, 2010 11:05 AM
People mourn the idea of Steinbrenner not being able to buy the Indians, but the fact of the matter is he would not have had the money or been as successful in Cleveland.

It was the development of the YES Network that created the hundreds of millions of dollars the Yankees now use to buy talent on a whim. There would never have been such a comparable network for Cleveland or Ohio.

Would teams have been better under his ownership? Almost certainly. The ownership at that time was among the worst in MLB history; but his ownership would not have meant world titles like it did in NY. The money just wouldn't have been there -- Steinbrenner didn't have it on his own.
Jul 14, 2010 11:05am
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Jul 14, 2010 11:45 AM
Writerbuckeye;423376 wrote:People mourn the idea of Steinbrenner not being able to buy the Indians, but the fact of the matter is he would not have had the money or been as successful in Cleveland.

It was the development of the YES Network that created the hundreds of millions of dollars the Yankees now use to buy talent on a whim. There would never have been such a comparable network for Cleveland or Ohio.

Would teams have been better under his ownership? Almost certainly. The ownership at that time was among the worst in MLB history; but his ownership would not have meant world titles like it did in NY. The money just wouldn't have been there -- Steinbrenner didn't have it on his own.
Very true, but he still would have spent more than Dolan is spending now.
Jul 14, 2010 11:45am
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Jul 14, 2010 12:02 PM
like_that;423394 wrote:Very true, but he still would have spent more than Dolan is spending now.

That wouldn't be hard.
Jul 14, 2010 12:02pm
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Jul 14, 2010 12:32 PM
Writerbuckeye;423376 wrote:People mourn the idea of Steinbrenner not being able to buy the Indians, but the fact of the matter is he would not have had the money or been as successful in Cleveland.

It was the development of the YES Network that created the hundreds of millions of dollars the Yankees now use to buy talent on a whim. There would never have been such a comparable network for Cleveland or Ohio.

Would teams have been better under his ownership? Almost certainly. The ownership at that time was among the worst in MLB history; but his ownership would not have meant world titles like it did in NY. The money just wouldn't have been there -- Steinbrenner didn't have it on his own.

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Jul 14, 2010 12:32pm
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Jul 14, 2010 2:31 PM
this is a complete fail as a trolling thread....smh
Jul 14, 2010 2:31pm
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Jul 14, 2010 8:23 PM
2quik4u;423133 wrote:Just heard on ESPN that George Steinbrenner before buying the Yankees was rejected from buying the Cleveland Indians.


its pretty pathetic when the most famous baseball players from cleveland are willie mays hayes, roger dorn, ricky "wild thing" vaughn, and pedro cerrano

I consider you a troll, BUT, I always thought you were more clever than the usual trolls like Capone and NCF....THIS....Is Caponelike.
Jul 14, 2010 8:23pm
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Jul 15, 2010 5:35 AM
skank;423843 wrote:I consider you a troll, BUT, I always thought you were more clever than the usual trolls like Capone and NCF....THIS....Is Caponelike.

You mean Art Modell like?
Jul 15, 2010 5:35am
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Jul 15, 2010 7:09 AM
Writerbuckeye;423376 wrote:People mourn the idea of Steinbrenner not being able to buy the Indians, but the fact of the matter is he would not have had the money or been as successful in Cleveland.

It was the development of the YES Network that created the hundreds of millions of dollars the Yankees now use to buy talent on a whim. There would never have been such a comparable network for Cleveland or Ohio.

Would teams have been better under his ownership? Almost certainly. The ownership at that time was among the worst in MLB history; but his ownership would not have meant world titles like it did in NY. The money just wouldn't have been there -- Steinbrenner didn't have it on his own.

Point taken but the YES Network didn't launch 'til 2002. The Yankees won 4 World Championships from 1996-2000. I know that the Yanks weren't really "buying a player on a whim" back then but just saying they were very successful under Steinbrenner prior to the YES Network. George's same crew evaluating, drafting, signing and keeping that talent in Cleveland would've paid off for the troubled sports city.
Jul 15, 2010 7:09am