Lebron is not a Robin. People who follow the NBA know that. He is a top 3 talent right now.

newarkcatholicfan;418038 wrote:So with Dan saying James quit in all of those games has anyone told dan this is not true?

When those who posted he quit this board was full of he did not but worded in a much meaner way.

Because they are clueless. When those games were going on LeBron's teammates were being lambasted. Now that he bounced he is getting the blame. Its absolutely hilarious.

jordo212000;418015 wrote:I trust my organization to take care of business and get those guys re-signed.. but since you ask, if he does leave, then I know I will not be calling him a quitter, burning his jersey, and belittling his accomplishments. I also know Mr. Castellini (Reds owner) would not act like a scorned girlfriend and make a fool out of himself

haha. What exactly have the Reds done in the past 15 years to give you that impression? YOU might not be calling him a quitter or belittling his accomplishments but I promise you that there will be plenty of fans that do. Whatever, thats a different argument. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. You might not

Automatik;418040 wrote:You are acting like hes going into identical situations. Cleveland failed to bring another star to play along side LBJ.

After Shaq left....what has Wade done on his own? This is a great move for both players.

Also, Miami>Cleveland. It's not rocket science. I don't get why some of you have such a hard time understanding what just happened.

Ok, so that doesn't answer either question...great. Anyways like I said, it's not so much the fact that he left Cleveland it's how he did it. Am I upset as a Cavs fan? Sure. Will the Cavs keep playing basketball and try to win a championship now that LeBron is gone? They did 30 years before, they'll do so 30 years after. I feel no personal hate towards LeBron, but I do feel that this move is indicative of the type of player he is. The following statements are irrefutable facts:

1. He will always have 1 less championship than Wade no matter how many they win with the Heat.

2. He is going to Wade's team, Wade's (literally) county, and Wade's city.

LeBron is simply not the type of player everyone thought he was coming out of high school. This is what makes it easier for me to see him go. I know that no matter what, he wouldn't have led Cleveland to a championship. He needs to do it a different way. He's very similar to David Robinson. Robinson needed Duncan despite that he was a dominant force. LeBron needs Wade (and to a degree Bosh but he's not on the level of the above two) to win championships. Most people agree he could've handled this decision in a better way.

As for Gilbert, his letter was over the top, probably unprofessional, and seemingly bitter. But it was a letter that needed to be written in order to ensure Cleveland fans that this is not the end of the Cavaliers...that the days of Sura, Ferry, and Diop are not what's ahead. That though this has knocked the franchise off the ladder, they will get back on their feet and start the climb again. Gilbert was willing to take all of the heat from the media and casual observers like you to get that point across. It's his team, it's a free country, he has the right to say what he feels. He wants to bring a champion to Cleveland and I respect him for that.

In a year or two, let's see who has the last laugh. Lebron will have a championship and the Cavs will be back to the doormat of the NBA.

People who are bringing Ferry and Brown into this to make Gilbert look like a villain are forgetting that Lebron's camp essentially said that he would not come back without a new coach and GM. Lebron is as much to blame for their departure as anyone.

thedynasty1998;418056 wrote:In a year or two, let's see who has the last laugh. Lebron will have a championship and the Cavs will be back to the doormat of the NBA.

LeBron may have a championship but I can guarantee your second statement will not hold true. They have a good coach in place, some pieces to build around, and the chance to start over with an owner committed to winning. It may be a while before the Cavs are back to championship contenders but I would bet a lot that they won't be in 1999-2002 mode.

krazie45;418055 wrote:LeBron is simply not the type of player everyone thought he was coming out of high school. This is what makes it easier for me to see him go. I know that no matter what, he wouldn't have led Cleveland to a championship. He needs to do it a different way. He's very similar to David Robinson. Robinson needed Duncan despite that he was a dominant force. LeBron needs Wade (and to a degree Bosh but he's not on the level of the above two) to win championships. Most people agree he could've handled this decision in a better way.

As for Gilbert, his letter was over the top, probably unprofessional, and seemingly bitter. But it was a letter that needed to be written in order to ensure Cleveland fans that this is not the end of the Cavaliers...that the days of Sura, Ferry, and Diop are not what's ahead. That though this has knocked the franchise off the ladder, they will get back on their feet and start the climb again. Gilbert was willing to take all of the heat from the media and casual observers like you to get that point across. It's his team, it's a free country, he has the right to say what he feels. He wants to bring a champion to Cleveland and I respect him for that.

So Lebron is no longer the best player in the NBA just because he chose to play with guys who he thinks can help him win a championship? That makes sense.

Don't be so sure that the Cavs are not heading back to the days of Sura and Diop.

krazie45;418055 wrote:Ok, so that doesn't answer either question...great. Anyways like I said, it's not so much the fact that he left Cleveland it's how he did it. Am I upset as a Cavs fan? Sure. Will the Cavs keep playing basketball and try to win a championship now that LeBron is gone? They did 30 years before, they'll do so 30 years after. I feel no personal hate towards LeBron, but I do feel that this move is indicative of the type of player he is. The following statements are irrefutable facts:

1. He will always have 1 less championship than Wade no matter how many they win with the Heat.

2. He is going to Wade's team, Wade's (literally) county, and Wade's city.

LeBron is simply not the type of player everyone thought he was coming out of high school. This is what makes it easier for me to see him go. I know that no matter what, he wouldn't have led Cleveland to a championship. He needs to do it a different way. He's very similar to David Robinson. Robinson needed Duncan despite that he was a dominant force. LeBron needs Wade (and to a degree Bosh but he's not on the level of the above two) to win championships. Most people agree he could've handled this decision in a better way.

As for Gilbert, his letter was over the top, probably unprofessional, and seemingly bitter. But it was a letter that needed to be written in order to ensure Cleveland fans that this is not the end of the Cavaliers...that the days of Sura, Ferry, and Diop are not what's ahead. That though this has knocked the franchise off the ladder, they will get back on their feet and start the climb again. Gilbert was willing to take all of the heat from the media and casual observers like you to get that point across. It's his team, it's a free country, he has the right to say what he feels. He wants to bring a champion to Cleveland and I respect him for that.

I didn't answer your questions because they are obvious and irrelevant to the situation.

LeBron is in his prime and wants to win right fucking now. He left money on the table to win and thats why I applaud his decision. All three took less money to start something big. I honestly would have liked to see him stay and give it another shot at Cleveland.

But I look at it this way. Even if he does extend for 2, maybe 3 years, and doesn't get a ring. Then what? This opportunity would be long gone and he is 3 years older and no ring and STILL in Cleveland.

I know its difficult for Cleveland fans, but IMO it was the right choice.

jordo212000;418015 wrote:I trust my organization to take care of business and get those guys re-signed.. but since you ask, if he does leave, then I know I will not be calling him a quitter, burning his jersey, and belittling his accomplishments. I also know Mr. Castellini (Reds owner) would not act like a scorned girlfriend and make a fool out of himself

LOL at you Jordo. I suppose Marty Brennaman's meltdowns reflected the true "class" of your organization. What Gilbert spewed had nuttin on old Marty Brennaman.

I'm sure you ripped Marty a similar one when he let it all fly..not once...but several times.

If you want to rip Gilbert, good for you. But don't don't post your "holier than thou" crap regarding the Redlegs organization led by big mouth Marty and oh yeah, the delicate and articulate Marge Schott.

thedynasty1998;418061 wrote:So Lebron is no longer the best player in the NBA just because he chose to play with guys who he thinks can help him win a championship? That makes sense.

Don't be so sure that the Cavs are not heading back to the days of Sura and Diop.

He's going to a team where he is the number 2 guy, no matter how you want to slice it...it's Wade's team.

What would lead me to believe otherwise? With LeBron they won 60 games the last two years. They've upgraded their head coach.....and obviously while LeBron was the main factor for that, you're telling me he makes a difference of 40-50 wins? I'm sorry but no player has that kind of effect. If that were the case the Heat should have no problems winning 70 games this year.

Not to mention the Cavs will have expiring contracts coming off the books the next few seasons and the chance to build something with an owner much better than the likes of Gund or Stepian. I'm pretty positive in saying that the Cavs are not heading back to the days of Sura and Diop.

krazie45;418059 wrote:It may be a while before the Cavs are back to championship contenders but I would bet a lot that they won't be in 1999-2002 mode.

How long until they are back to championship contendors?

You have to figure the Bulls and Heat are going to be at the top of the East for at least 4 yeas. The Knicks and Nets are in better situations going forward. Those are four teams who could claim they have a brighter near future. I think the Cavs are at least 6-7 years away. I really don't like saying that, but I think it's reality.

thedynasty1998;418061 wrote:So Lebron is no longer the best player in the NBA just because he chose to play with guys who he thinks can help him win a championship? That makes sense.

Don't be so sure that the Cavs are not heading back to the days of Sura and Diop.

Have to agree to disagree on this one. That was different management and a different owner

Footwedge;418064 wrote:LOL at you Jordo. I suppose Marty Brennaman's meltdowns reflected the true "class" of your organization. What Gilbert spewed had nuttin on old Marty Brennaman.

I'm sure you ripped Marty a similar one when he let it all fly..not once...but several times.

If you want to rip Gilbert, good for you. But don't don't post your "holier than thou" crap regarding the Redlegs organization led by big mouth Marty and oh yeah, the delicate and articulate Marge Schott.

Marty isn't the owner of the freaking organization. He is a sports announcer/entertainer. Marty can look like a fool. Dan Gilbert can't, he's the owner.

Marge Schott was a bigot. It's a good thing she's no longer the owner. That was a long time ago though. I am talking about their current ownership. Castellini is a classy individual

krazie45;418065 wrote:He's going to a team where he is the number 2 guy, no matter how you want to slice it...it's Wade's team.

What would lead me to believe otherwise? With LeBron they won 60 games the last two years. They've upgraded their head coach.....and obviously while LeBron was the main factor for that, you're telling me he makes a difference of 40-50 wins? I'm sorry but no player has that kind of effect. If that were the case the Heat should have no problems winning 70 games this year.

Not to mention the Cavs will have expiring contracts coming off the books the next few seasons and the chance to build something with an owner much better than the likes of Gund or Stepian. I'm pretty positive in saying that the Cavs are not heading back to the days of Sura and Diop.

Do you honestly think LeBron and Wade are concerned with whos team it is? My lord that is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. I bet they haven't even discussed it. That is a terrible mentality to bring.....who cares whos team is it?!? ITS A TEAM. LeBron stressed that several times.

One night LeBron will go off, the next Wade. LeBron is the better player so I can see him getting the higher stats or I can see him backing off and letting Wade take the reigns. As long as they are playing well and winning none of that shit matters. Hell this could be a transition for LeBron and his post game might be off the hook.

Also, when has LeBron EVER given anyone the idea that he was about himself on the court and not the team? I'll wait....

Automatik;418062 wrote:I didn't answer your questions because they are obvious and irrelevant to the situation.

LeBron is in his prime and wants to win right fucking now. He left money on the table to win and thats why I applaud his decision. All three took less money to start something big. I honestly would have liked to see him stay and give it another shot at Cleveland.

But I look at it this way. Even if he does extend for 2, maybe 3 years, and doesn't get a ring. Then what? This opportunity would be long gone and he is 3 years older and no ring and STILL in Cleveland.

I know its difficult for Cleveland fans, but IMO it was the right choice.

Personally if I were LeBron I would've signed a 3 year deal with Cleveland and tried to win as many titles as possible with basically the same team that had the best record the last 2 seasons. Then sign the max with the (then) Brooklyn Nets where he can be the main guy in a great franchise in a great sports city that's essentially starting their brand from scratch with some talent that would've blossomed by then. If he would've won a title or more he could've said "I brought Cleveland a championship and now I'm ready to start the next chapter in my life and bring one to New York city on a world stage." That I would've been fine with. If he didn't win he could've said "I spent a decade in Cleveland, we didn't get it done but I did everything I could and now it's time to move on." Even that I would've been ok with. Him leaving Cleveland on the note he did, with his hour long special, essentially handcuffing the Cavs so they couldn't make a play for another free agent.....that I am not ok with.

BTW the Heat aren't guaranteed champions either. They still need to fill out their roster and prove that they can all share the ball. Yes they are 3 talented individuals but it's teams that win championships.

LeBron and the Heat aren't my concern. My concern is still rooting for the Cavaliers and their success.

Automatik;418076 wrote:Do you honestly think LeBron and Wade are concerned with whos team it is? My lord that is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. I bet they haven't even discussed it. That is a terrible mentality to bring.....who cares whos team is it?!? ITS A TEAM. LeBron stressed that several times.

One night LeBron will go off, the next Wade. LeBron is the better player so I can see him getting the higher stats or I can see him backing off and letting Wade take the reigns. As long as they are playing well and winning none of that shit matters. Hell this could be a transition for LeBron and his post game might be off the hook.

Also, when has LeBron EVER given anyone the idea that he was about himself on the court and not the team? I'll wait....

If it was about the team, why didn't he announce his decision with Wade and Bosh?

Oh yeah I'm sure there are fired up about that. lmao...keep going.

krazie45;418065 wrote:He's going to a team where he is the number 2 guy, no matter how you want to slice it...it's Wade's team.

What does it mean to be Wade's team? There is exactly one other player on the roster who has played a game with the Heat with Wade. There is no way anyone can say for certain what the team dynamic will be once the roster is finalized and they start playing together. If Wade's team means that he takes the last shot the majority of the time, I don't think LeBron will have an issue with it as long as its the right basketball play. He is an unselfish player and I doubt he cares whose team it is as long as he is winning championships.

thedynasty1998;418066 wrote:How long until they are back to championship contendors?

You have to figure the Bulls and Heat are going to be at the top of the East for at least 4 yeas. The Knicks and Nets are in better situations going forward. Those are four teams who could claim they have a brighter near future. I think the Cavs are at least 6-7 years away. I really don't like saying that, but I think it's reality.

I really don't see how the Nets have a better situation as of right now or even the Knicks. It'll take a few years since the team was essentially built around LeBron and because they've had so much success over the last few years they haven't had any high draft picks. There's another pretty good class of free agents coming out next year and I'm confident the Cavs will be at the forefront of trying to bring some of them to Cleveland.

karen lotz;418083 wrote:What does it mean to be Wade's team? There is exactly one other player on the roster who has played a game with the Heat with Wade. There is no way anyone can say for certain what the team dynamic will be once the roster is finalized and they start playing together. If Wade's team means that he takes the last shot the majority of the time, I don't think LeBron will have an issue with it as long as its the right basketball play. He is an unselfish player and I doubt he cares whose team it is as long as he is winning championships.

Exactly. The people blasting him now are the ones who were blowing him not too long ago saying how he "makes everyone around him better" which is the absolute truth. I will guarantee you that he and Wade will be a force to be reckoned with in the comings years. If Cleveland fans don't realize this then well.....yeah you will probably never get it.

krazie45;418077 wrote:Personally if I were LeBron I would've signed a 3 year deal with Cleveland and tried to win as many titles as possible with basically the same team that had the best record the last 2 seasons.

So he you would have zero titles and then move on to Brooklyn? With the upgrades other teams in the East made there is no guarantee of the Cavs winning any titles, making it to the Finals, or even having the best regular season record.

karen lotz;418088 wrote:So he you would have zero titles and then move on to Brooklyn? With the upgrades other teams in the East made there is no guarantee of the Cavs winning any titles, making it to the Finals, or even having the best regular season record.

Exactly

Any Cavs fan who thinks the move to the Heat was the wrong basketball move is delusional.

MAYBE Chicago, but the Heat give Lebron the best chance to win championships, which he openly stated last night is his only goal. He doesn't owe Cavs fans an explanation about why he left, he owes them one about how.

karen lotz;418088 wrote:So he you would have zero titles and then move on to Brooklyn? With the upgrades other teams in the East made there is no guarantee of the Cavs winning any titles, making it to the Finals, or even having the best regular season record.

No shit, there's never any guarantees of titles. Hell the Heat aren't guaranteed a title now. I really don't see how your point is relevant

What does it mean to be Wade's team?

Wade already has a ring and a finals MVP with the Heat.

He Lebron and Bosh could win 5 titles together, and James/Bosh will be his bitch because he will always have one more than they do. Just like Shaq will now forever be Kobe's bitch because he has one less ring than he does. It's just the way it is.