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rock_knutne
Jul 7, 2010 9:59pm
Netherlands (Holland)
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Spain
Sunday July 11th, 2:30PM EST ABC
Should be a great final that will crown a first time winner.
I'm pulling for "the Oranje", I think they have just as much talent as Spain and are in better form.
VS.
Spain
Sunday July 11th, 2:30PM EST ABC
Should be a great final that will crown a first time winner.
I'm pulling for "the Oranje", I think they have just as much talent as Spain and are in better form.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jul 7, 2010 10:00pm
go oranje
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jul 7, 2010 10:09pm
I'll take Holland..err the Dutch...errr Netherlands. lol
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jul 7, 2010 10:21pm
Given my last name, I gotta root for the Dutch.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Jul 7, 2010 10:22pm
Spain 2-1.
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rock_knutne
Jul 7, 2010 10:29pm
The winner gets to tote this hunk of gold around for the next four years:
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 7, 2010 10:32pm
Spain.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 7, 2010 10:41pm
Spain wins.
In terms of who I WANT to win though, I'm torn. The Dutch have always been my 2nd favorite national side. But... I dropped $20 on Spain at +400 to win the WC back a couple months ago, and an $80 payout would be awfully nice.
I guess I'm just hoping for a hell of a match to end things.
In terms of who I WANT to win though, I'm torn. The Dutch have always been my 2nd favorite national side. But... I dropped $20 on Spain at +400 to win the WC back a couple months ago, and an $80 payout would be awfully nice.
I guess I'm just hoping for a hell of a match to end things.
3reppom
Posts: 765
Jul 7, 2010 11:08pm
I am pulling for the Netherlands, even though Barcelona is my club team and Spain's starting 11 is half Barca
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
Jul 8, 2010 3:39am
I'll be pulling for the Dutch.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jul 8, 2010 7:17am
Dutch
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jul 8, 2010 10:03am
Spain for sure. 2-0
They have better players than the Dutch. Although the game was 1-0 yesterday, Spain pretty much controlled the game the entire time. They play that same way and don't fuck it up....the title is theirs.
They have better players than the Dutch. Although the game was 1-0 yesterday, Spain pretty much controlled the game the entire time. They play that same way and don't fuck it up....the title is theirs.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Jul 8, 2010 10:13am
Spain dominates this in my opinion. But Netherlands is tricky, they scrapped by Brazil and it was impressive.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 8, 2010 11:21am
Spain isn't scoring two goals. They haven't done anything this World Cup to indicate they will score more than 1 goal. If they win it will be 1-0, or 1-1- in penalty kicks.
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rock_knutne
Jul 8, 2010 11:36am
Automatik;415495 wrote:Spain for sure. 2-0
They have better players than the Dutch. Although the game was 1-0 yesterday, Spain pretty much controlled the game the entire time. They play that same way and don't fuck it up....the title is theirs.
I have to disagree with you on that one........Robben, Van Persie, Sneijder, Kuyt, Van Bomel, De Jong and on and on. Holland has just as much talent and skill as Spain does, they produce a ton of world class players every year. They have had several teams that were loaded over the years but in-fighting killed their team spirit. They don't have any internal problems on this squad.
I don't see Holland sitting back like Germany did, the Germans never impossed their will in that semifinal match until they had to, they gave too much respect and one mental lapse hurt them. The Dutch are also very good at posession and passing which should make for a very entertaining game.
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Jul 8, 2010 11:40am
I am taking the Dutch in an upset here.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jul 8, 2010 2:56pm
rock_knutne;415628 wrote:I have to disagree with you on that one........Robben, Van Persie, Sneijder, Kuyt, Van Bomel, De Jong and on and on. Holland has just as much talent and skill as Spain does, they produce a ton of world class players every year. They have had several teams that were loaded over the years but in-fighting killed their team spirit. They don't have any internal problems on this squad.
I don't see Holland sitting back like Germany did, the Germans never impossed their will in that semifinal match until they had to, they gave too much respect and one mental lapse hurt them. The Dutch are also very good at posession and passing which should make for a very entertaining game.
Agree to disagree, but there isn't one starter that I would take on the Dutch team over a Spanish one. MAYBE Robben.
The reason Germany couldn't impose there will is because they barely had the ball, and when they did the couldn't make it happen. I just don't think the Dutch squad is as good as Germany's
Spain won't score 2? They could have had 3 yesterday if they made their chances. I could be wrong and they'll go down. I honestly thought Brazil would roll on Holland. I've been on the Spain bandwagon since the Euro qualifying so have no reason to go against them now.
I just won't the game to be ended within 120 minutes. I do not want the WC to be decided on f'n PKs.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 8, 2010 3:44pm
I think the Dutch squad has a TON of talent. Hell, I picked them to be in the finals and go down to Spain. BUT, Im with Automatic...I take the Spanish counterpart in almost every position.
GK - Casillas (Spain) over Steklenberg
LB - Gio Van Bronckhorst (Dutch) over Capdevilla
RB - Ramos (Spain) over anyone Dutch
CB - Pique (Spain) over Heitinga
CB - Puyol (Spain) over Boularouz
CM - Van Bommel (Dutch) over Alonso
CM - Busquets (Spain) over De jong
Att. Mid - Xavi (Spain) over Sneijder
Wing - Iniesta (Spain) over Robben
Wing - Kuyt over Pedro (But Fabregas over Kuyt if he plays)
Forward - Villa (Spain) Van Persie
Bench Spain by a LOT over Dutch.
While the Dutch have a ton of talent, and arent really overmatched but for a few positions. They dont have more talent on the field imo.
GK - Casillas (Spain) over Steklenberg
LB - Gio Van Bronckhorst (Dutch) over Capdevilla
RB - Ramos (Spain) over anyone Dutch
CB - Pique (Spain) over Heitinga
CB - Puyol (Spain) over Boularouz
CM - Van Bommel (Dutch) over Alonso
CM - Busquets (Spain) over De jong
Att. Mid - Xavi (Spain) over Sneijder
Wing - Iniesta (Spain) over Robben
Wing - Kuyt over Pedro (But Fabregas over Kuyt if he plays)
Forward - Villa (Spain) Van Persie
Bench Spain by a LOT over Dutch.
While the Dutch have a ton of talent, and arent really overmatched but for a few positions. They dont have more talent on the field imo.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jul 8, 2010 3:48pm
RVP wouldn't even see the pitch if he were Spanish and I'm an Arsenal fan. While he has shown flashes of brilliance.....he's not in the same league as the Spanish forwards.
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rock_knutne
Jul 8, 2010 10:07pm
Laley23;416119 wrote:I think the Dutch squad has a TON of talent. Hell, I picked them to be in the finals and go down to Spain. BUT, Im with Automatic...I take the Spanish counterpart in almost every position.
GK - Casillas (Spain) over Steklenberg
LB - Gio Van Bronckhorst (Dutch) over Capdevilla
RB - Ramos (Spain) over anyone Dutch
CB - Pique (Spain) over Heitinga
CB - Puyol (Spain) over Boularouz
CM - Van Bommel (Dutch) over Alonso
CM - Busquets (Spain) over De jong
Att. Mid - Xavi (Spain) over Sneijder
Wing - Iniesta (Spain) over Robben
Wing - Kuyt over Pedro (But Fabregas over Kuyt if he plays)
Forward - Villa (Spain) Van Persie
Bench Spain by a LOT over Dutch.
While the Dutch have a ton of talent, and arent really overmatched but for a few positions. They dont have more talent on the field imo.
I never said they have more talent but I feel they have just as much. I'll take the Dutch midfield over any other side in the world.......at the moment.
I also think Holland learned a great deal from the Spain/Germany match. They need to impose their will on a much smaller team, it's the final and the Dutch have nothing to leave behind by worrying about hard tackling football and fouls, something I thought Germany didn't do. I also feel they will go forward, they're just as technically sound as Spain and can string passes all the way down the field as Spain does.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 8, 2010 10:30pm
rock_knutne;416894 wrote:I never said they have more talent but I feel they have just as much. I'll take the Dutch midfield over any other side in the world.......at the moment.
I also think Holland learned a great deal from the Spain/Germany match. They need to impose their will on a much smaller team, it's the final and the Dutch have nothing to leave behind by worrying about hard tackling football and fouls, something I thought Germany didn't do. I also feel they will go forward, they're just as technically sound as Spain and can string passes all the way down the field as Spain does.
Sorry, I thought you said they were better. I think they are just behind. I thought they had the 3rd most talent behind Spain and Brazil (although I thought they were even with Brazi)
It will be interesting to see what the Dutch do. I think they MUST play their game....but no team has really been able to do that because of the possession that Spain keeps. Teams have the ball for such a short period of time, its tough to get it going (also cause Spain pushes up so far, a lot of times 8 players inside the half to win the ball back). If the Dutch can keep possession close, they have a chance I think. I just dont think they are any different from other sides. I dont think a team in the world can play how they want versus Spain because they just dont ever have the ball.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jul 8, 2010 11:08pm
rooting for Spain...
their ball control and passing game is fascinating to watch.
expecting a great final, though.
Sneijder has a great nose for the ball, and I would throw him in the discussion comparing the Dutch to the top Spanish mids; but otherwise, Spain looks like the clearly better side, imo.
Robben has only a few basic moves (go to the right corner, then left foot it running back across the pitch) and I don't see him being a factor against Spain.
VP hasn't found his stride in this WC.
their ball control and passing game is fascinating to watch.
expecting a great final, though.
Sneijder has a great nose for the ball, and I would throw him in the discussion comparing the Dutch to the top Spanish mids; but otherwise, Spain looks like the clearly better side, imo.
Robben has only a few basic moves (go to the right corner, then left foot it running back across the pitch) and I don't see him being a factor against Spain.
VP hasn't found his stride in this WC.
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rock_knutne
Jul 9, 2010 8:04am
All this talk about how Spain possesses the ball is fine because they do but again, Germany allowed that to happen, they never used their size and power to physically take the ball away and go forward, although, they did a great job of keeping Spain out on the wings, nothing developed in the middle of the field. Holland (sorry, they're still Holland to me) won't make that mistake, I think they will go all out for every 50/50 ball, even if it means fouling someone. The one thing I've noticed is Spain doesn't like to be physically challenged, over the course of 90 minutes that type of play will take it's affect. Then again, you miss and you can easily be burned but IMO, that's the only way to beat Spain.
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rock_knutne
Jul 10, 2010 8:55am
Good read on how the Dutch players will combat Spains passing attack:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/807475/ce/uk/?cc=5901&ver=global
Looks like Holland will try to out muscle Spain and try to disrupt that Spanish attack in their end, which IMO is a very good tactic against a very small team.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/807475/ce/uk/?cc=5901&ver=global
Looks like Holland will try to out muscle Spain and try to disrupt that Spanish attack in their end, which IMO is a very good tactic against a very small team.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Jul 10, 2010 9:07am
Rooting for the Dutch.