Jughead
Posts: 1,261
Jul 11, 2010 5:13pm
13 cards is not bad officiating?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 11, 2010 5:14pm
Also, this is a painfully hard game to officiate. Webb (who I was pleased was selected at first) made a mess of it, but that was one tough game to call. Tons of fouls and rough tackles.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jul 11, 2010 5:14pm
Did Iniesta kick his way to the Golden ball?
Laley23
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Jul 11, 2010 5:14pm
rock_knutne;420501 wrote:No doubt after watching the replay, the first cross in (which hit a Dutch player) was definitely offside when it was played.
That would have been an awful offside call. It hasnt been made all tournament.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 11, 2010 5:16pm
ts1227;420519 wrote:Did Iniesta kick his way to the Golden ball?
Yeah more than likely. He took over 3 games, including this one. Xavi was the most consistent, and will probably get second. My vBucks were on Xavi too damnit!!!! I thought if Iniesta scored he would get it, just didnt think he would score!
At least I got Muller and the Golden Ball correct.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jul 11, 2010 5:16pm
Sneider and Villa tied for the Golden Boot if i'm not mistaken. Is Golden Ball the mvp?
I only caught the extra time. Also, I dislike Ian Robben.
I only caught the extra time. Also, I dislike Ian Robben.
Jughead
Posts: 1,261
Jul 11, 2010 5:16pm
^Agreed. An offside called on a deflection would have been terrible. But 13 cards and one ejection (on the wrong team by the way) was completely unnecessary.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jul 11, 2010 5:17pm
Muller gets the G Boot.Automatik;420523 wrote:Sneider and Villa tied for the Golden Boot if i'm not mistaken.
more assists
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jul 11, 2010 5:18pm
Its assists+goals? You sure?
Automatik
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Jul 11, 2010 5:19pm
Ahhh I see. Assists is the tie breaker.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jul 11, 2010 5:20pm
all are tied with 5 goals....tiebreaker is assists
Jughead
Posts: 1,261
Jul 11, 2010 5:23pm
May I remind you that the card situation was 9 to 2 at one point?
Two semi-breakaways for the Dutch were stopped by fouls were given a yellow, and then not a damn thing except a yellow to the Dutch player for arguing the call. Fouls during breakaways are almost always given a red.
Two semi-breakaways for the Dutch were stopped by fouls were given a yellow, and then not a damn thing except a yellow to the Dutch player for arguing the call. Fouls during breakaways are almost always given a red.
Mulva
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Jul 11, 2010 5:24pm
Jughead;420532 wrote:Fouls during breakaways are almost always given a red.
So are Liu Kang boots to the chest.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jul 11, 2010 5:25pm
Jughead;420532 wrote:May I remind you that the card situation was 9 to 2 at one point?
To play devil's advocate some, Spain only had 4 yellow cards all tournament heading into this game (only N. Korea had less, and they didn't make it out of the group stage).
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 11, 2010 5:26pm
Jughead;420532 wrote:May I remind you that the card situation was 9 to 2 at one point?
Two semi-breakaways for the Dutch were stopped by fouls were given a yellow, and then not a damn thing except a yellow to the Dutch player for arguing the call. Fouls during breakaways are almost always given a red.
All Robben had to do was go down and he gets a red card. The ref was like 30 yards behind....you expect him to blow the whistle and give a red when the player stays on his feet for a goal scoring chance???
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jul 11, 2010 5:27pm
Jughead;420532 wrote:............ Fouls during breakaways are almost always given a red.
absolutely not. the only provision that would apply in your scenario under the Laws would be if the foul occurred to deny an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.
typically that is an egregious foul in the box.
does not apply here at all.
Laley23
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Jul 11, 2010 5:28pm
ts1227;420536 wrote:To play devil's advocate some, Spain only had 4 yellow cards all tournament heading into this game (only N. Korea had less, and they didn't make it out of the group stage).
Yeah, Spain doesnt really foul very hard.
The Dutch were just nuts early on. Van Persie and Van Bommel made it known they were going to take out the Spanish to make it a rougher game. Then De Jong goes Karate Kid. There were to MANY yellows, but the Dutch certainly deserved to have twice as many as Spain.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Jul 11, 2010 5:31pm
if there was any restraint shown by Webb, it was in NOT giving Dejong a Red for his early foul. Now THAT would have changed the tenor of the game. And that would have kicked up the controversy to another level.
other than that, the yellows flowed freely, which only serves to make Robben's missteps as he entered the 18 seem more ligitimate. That was an appropriate no call IMO.
other than that, the yellows flowed freely, which only serves to make Robben's missteps as he entered the 18 seem more ligitimate. That was an appropriate no call IMO.
Jughead
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Jul 11, 2010 5:33pm
Mulva;420534 wrote:So are Liu Kang boots to the chest.
So it should have been 9 on 9 then? If so, I agree.
I never said that all the cards were unjustified. Anything on a breakaway should have been booked. Above should have been a red.
What the fuck was that call on David Villa's flop? Why was the striker for Netherlands not given the PK for playing the game it was meant to be played (i.e. not flopping) but rather given the yellow for complaining? Answer these questions for me?
IMO, If this game was in South America between South American teams, this ref does not leave the stadium alive.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 11, 2010 5:33pm
Diego Forlan wins the Golden Ball. Shocked it wasnt one of the mids from Spain, but congrats to Forlan. He was the best player on his team for sure and carried them to the Semis.
R
rock_knutne
Jul 11, 2010 5:33pm
Laley23;420520 wrote:That would have been an awful offside call. It hasnt been made all tournament.
Regardless, Iniesta was offside by a yard when that ball was played, blown call by the linesman IMO especially that late in the game.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jul 11, 2010 5:35pm
Jughead;420545 wrote:So it should have been 9 on 9 then? If so, I agree.
I never said that all the cards were unjustified. Anything on a breakaway should have been booked. Above should have been a red.
What the fuck was that call on David Villa's flop? Why was the striker for Netherlands not given the PK for playing the game it was meant to be played (i.e. not flopping) but rather given the yellow for complaining? Answer these questions for me?
IMO, If this game was in South America between South American teams, this ref does not leave the stadium alive.
Well, he wasn't given a PK because it wasn't in the box, for one.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Jul 11, 2010 5:36pm
Nice work Spain but that game isn't going to do shit for soccer in this country. At least it wasn't Musberger announcing in all Orange.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 11, 2010 5:36pm
Jughead;420545 wrote:
What the fuck was that call on David Villa's flop? Why was the striker for Netherlands not given the PK for playing the game it was meant to be played (i.e. not flopping) but rather given the yellow for complaining? Answer these questions for me?
IMO, If this game was in South America between South American teams, this ref does not leave the stadium alive.
Ummm, advantage. You can get a yellow and advantage, but not a foul and advantage. Plus it wasnt a PK. It was a foul on Puyol who wasnt gonna get a second yellow.
You cant argue a call that long and not get a yellow. Not sure what the complaint is there.
Jughead
Posts: 1,261
Jul 11, 2010 5:37pm
killdeer;420539 wrote:absolutely not. the only provision that would apply in your scenario under the Laws would be if the foul occurred to deny an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.
typically that is an egregious foul in the box.
does not apply here at all.
Laws of the game must not apply in every game that I was a part of during high school and college. Every instance (4 times) resulted in a Red, one of which was given against me.