ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Mar 8, 2012 9:27pm
I agree it's failure. But, how do you get to 60?gut;1109450 wrote:They do their job. The POTUS shows leadership. It's inexcuseable. Failure on all fronts. Don't tell me about compromise - they were just 2 Dems short of 60 votes for the first two years and still no budget. That pins the failure of compromise pretty squarely on one party.
I mean, once, yeah it happened before. Twice, unprecedented but ok. Three years in a row?!?
No one here know how.
You can't strong arm 60, it's been tried.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Mar 8, 2012 9:40pm
It is hard to get to 60 to agree on something when there is no limit to the powers you have. They can do whatever they want like dictators.
Back when they at least used to pretend to care about the rule of law their options were much more limited, and compromise more possible.
Back when they at least used to pretend to care about the rule of law their options were much more limited, and compromise more possible.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 8, 2012 10:05pm
Might start with the POTUS showing some leadership submitting a budget that compromises on both sides. But he's not doing that.ptown_trojans_1;1109453 wrote:I agree it's failure. But, how do you get to 60?
No one here know how.
You can't strong arm 60, it's been tried.
And it's 51 votes to pass a budget, 60 for cloture. Reid and Obama aren't even trying. "Hey, look, we've got a budget, we've got the support....Repubs won't shut-up so we can vote". You really let them off the hook that easy? There was plenty of rhetoric and finger-pointing over the debt-ceiling, but Obama & Reid don't really seem all that concerned with passing a budget, much less a balanced one. They don't want a paper trail for all the blank checks they're writing.
You're right, we can't fire them all. But we can fire at least one. It's a crisis of leadership, and #$@*!#$ Nevada should have given Reid the boot in 2010.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 9, 2012 4:56am
Naw....Nevadians love Federal handout's just like the rest of us.gut;1109480 wrote:You're right, we can't fire them all. But we can fire at least one. It's a crisis of leadership, and #$@*!#$ Nevada should have given Reid the boot in 2010.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Mar 9, 2012 8:09am
If I'm not mistaken, budgets are not allowed to be filibustered. So he only needs 51 votes.ptown_trojans_1;1109432 wrote:If you can figure out a way to pass a budget that will get 60 votes, by all means come here to the area and explain it.
Under the Senate rules now, anything major, like a budget is near impossible.
No one party wants to move, compromise, give and take. As a result, the Senate passes CR after CR, with small budgets done each year (DOD, intell, DHS).
Good luck to whoever is President next, as I doubt any one party will get 60 votes. Getting anything done budget wise and debt wise with compromise will be impossible.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 9, 2012 9:31am
Today's real headlines:
Jobs Recession Now Longest Since WWII...
Obama lobbies against oil pipeline; Senate Dems kill...
Energy Secy: I don't own a car... [HR][/HR]Greece in last ditch scramble to avoid default...
Alarm sounds over Spain rising debt...
Portugal Doomed?
Fed-Subsidized 'Green' Light Bulb Hits Market -- Cost: $50...
Change we can believe in ...
Jobs Recession Now Longest Since WWII...
Obama lobbies against oil pipeline; Senate Dems kill...
Energy Secy: I don't own a car... [HR][/HR]Greece in last ditch scramble to avoid default...
Alarm sounds over Spain rising debt...
Portugal Doomed?
Fed-Subsidized 'Green' Light Bulb Hits Market -- Cost: $50...
Change we can believe in ...
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Mar 9, 2012 9:35am
The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Mar 9, 2012 9:52am
And this one bothers me immensely :Energy Secy: I don't own a car
This is obviously a liberal elitist, anti-fossil fuel advocate of public transportation who is completely out of touch with 95% of America, and is literally hoping for, and managing to, $8 gas. And that is exactly the type of person that obama has put in place in every department, every bureaucracy, and every czar position. It sort of sums it all up.
And the mainstream media continues to bury it.
Change we can believe in .....
This is obviously a liberal elitist, anti-fossil fuel advocate of public transportation who is completely out of touch with 95% of America, and is literally hoping for, and managing to, $8 gas. And that is exactly the type of person that obama has put in place in every department, every bureaucracy, and every czar position. It sort of sums it all up.
And the mainstream media continues to bury it.
Change we can believe in .....
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 9, 2012 11:18am
Yeah, but fortunately no matter how much the MSM tries to ignore it, voters know the economy sucks when they go to vote.Manhattan Buckeye;1109793 wrote:The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
My biggest concern with Romney, more than anything, is the class warfare game and how MSM is really going to cast him as the media. They've already started a bit with his private equity background - oh, wait, you mean it's NOT just like that movie Wall Street?!?
God forbid this country elect someone who's been SUCCESSFUL in the real world and has some practical understanding and experience with business and economics....as opposed to the career community organizer presiding over the worst economy in nearly a century.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Mar 9, 2012 11:28am
Yeah, I didn't understand why his wife having a Cadillac(Detroit built) at two of their homes was a bad thing. It should be inspiring
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Mar 9, 2012 12:00pm
Reconciliation....since it's supposed to be used for budgetary matters instead of healthcare bills, I'd start there...since the precedent has already been set and all. Sorry, but the "wah, can't get to 60" argument was slapped down early on by that event.ptown_trojans_1;1109453 wrote:I agree it's failure. But, how do you get to 60?
No one here know how.
You can't strong arm 60, it's been tried.
The fact remains that Harry simply doesn't want his name on anything that would be as ugly as what would come out of that vote. If that wasn't the case, he'd at least make a show of some effort.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 9, 2012 7:36pm
Yeah I noticed this too. I remember a time not long ago when anything above 5% was cause for alarm for any incumbent POTUS. Now the Obama-loving MSM wants everyone to celebrate because the rate has dropped from 9% to 8.3%.Manhattan Buckeye;1109793 wrote:The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
This crap never ceases to amaze me.
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Mar 9, 2012 9:22pm
8.3% is the government's number for unemployment. The true number is 13-14+%.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 9, 2012 10:52pm
It's HILARIOUS to see his supporters pointing to GWB as a basis of their argument of why Obama will be re-elected. GWB - the POTUS these people HATED passoinately and called one of the worst, if not THE worst, Presidents in US history. That is now their standard for Obama.believer;1110499 wrote:Yeah I noticed this too. I remember a time not long ago when anything above 5% was cause for alarm for any incumbent POTUS. Now the Obama-loving MSM wants everyone to celebrate because the rate has dropped from 9% to 8.3%.
This crap never ceases to amaze me.
And the simple fact of the matter is that the economy is not nearly in the toilet in 2004 that it is now. Much worse, in fact, than even 1992 when incumbent HWB looked like a lock for re-election.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Mar 10, 2012 12:57am
Then Obama will make history in November, being the first American President to be re-elected with the unemployment rate above 8%.
Thread Bomber
Posts: 1,851
Mar 10, 2012 6:22am
gut;1110801 wrote:It's HILARIOUS to see his supporters pointing to GWB as a basis of their argument of why Obama will be re-elected. GWB - the POTUS these people HATED passoinately and called one of the worst, if not THE worst, Presidents in US history. That is now their standard for Obama.
And the simple fact of the matter is that the economy is not nearly in the toilet in 2004 that it is now. Much worse, in fact, than even 1992 when incumbent HWB looked like a lock for re-election.
Unfortunately for your statement, everyone remembers how bad things were in 2008....
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 10, 2012 7:51am
....and the fact that things are even WORSE in 2012.Thread Bomber;1111003 wrote:Unfortunately for your statement, everyone remembers how bad things were in 2008....
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 10, 2012 10:04am
...and gas prices jumped another 25 cents overnite. No relief now...none in the "pipeline" either.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 10, 2012 10:17am
Pipeline? Did you say pipeline? We don't need no stinkin' pipeline. We just need to start using gubmint mass transit and all is well.HitsRus;1111118 wrote:...and gas prices jumped another 25 cents overnite. No relief now...none in the "pipeline" either.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Mar 10, 2012 10:29am
And don't forget to keep your tires inflatedbeliever;1111137 wrote:Pipeline? Did you say pipeline? We don't need no stinkin' pipeline. We just need to start using gubmint mass transit and all is well.
THAT is the best way to get your MPGs up about 25%....remember???
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Mar 10, 2012 10:36am
believer;1111040 wrote:....and the fact that things are even WORSE in 2012.
Lookie at Jan 07 to Jan 09... compare to Jan 09 to Jan 11. Worse... Yep
Exponentially compared to the Bush regime. Nope.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 10, 2012 12:28pm
This post here exemplifies the reasons why I would love to see Romney win. Absolutely love it. Somehow Romney will wave his magic "business success" wand and voila! The unemployment problem disappears, government growth stops, the national debt descends and Iran quits making nuclear bombs.gut;1109926 wrote:Yeah, but fortunately no matter how much the MSM tries to ignore it, voters know the economy sucks when they go to vote.
My biggest concern with Romney, more than anything, is the class warfare game and how MSM is really going to cast him as the media. They've already started a bit with his private equity background - oh, wait, you mean it's NOT just like that movie Wall Street?!?
God forbid this country elect someone who's been SUCCESSFUL in the real world and has some practical understanding and experience with business and economics....as opposed to the career community organizer presiding over the worst economy in nearly a century.
Does anyone really think those things will happen?
Then, when none of those things happen, the traditional GOPers will all be in defense mode. I remember it well....from 03 to 08.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 10, 2012 12:37pm
If it comes down to a choice between Obama the Magic Negro and Willard....well I guess I'll take my chances with the Guvna from Marxistchusetts.Footwedge;1111276 wrote:This post here exemplifies the reasons why I would love to see Romney win. Absolutely love it. Somehow Romney will wave his magic "business success" wand and voila! The unemployment problem disappears, government growth stops, the national debt descends and Iran quits making nuclear bombs.
Does anyone really think those things will happen?
Then, when none of those things happen, the traditional GOPers will all be in defense mode. I remember it well....from 03 to 08.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 10, 2012 12:38pm
8.3% unemployment is definitely horrible. In fact worse than horrible. And what makes it worse, the N.D. has increased almost 6 trillion with government expansion which is truly mind boggling.Manhattan Buckeye;1109793 wrote:The headline is 8.3% unemployment. In '04 Bush would be impeached, in '12 Obama is lauded. This country deserves to fail.
With that said, I don't recall the "main stream" media lauding Obama for these numbers. Just the opposite. There are reasons why Obama's job performance is at 45%. And the 2 I listed are the primary reasons why.
As for Bush's impeachment, if they didn't impeach him for the unbelievable debacle called Iraq, implementing torture, $hitcanning the writ of habeous corpus, et al, then they sure as hell wouldn't impeach him for sky high unemployment numbers, just sayin.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 10, 2012 12:53pm
One of the advantages of falling in line with most libertarian views and labeled a Paulbot is that, no matter which side is in power, I can bitch and moan without a worry. Life's great.believer;1111280 wrote:If it comes down to a choice between Obama the Magic Negro and Willard....well I guess I'll take my chances with the Guvna from Marxistchusetts.