IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 5, 2010 7:32pm
Here was the exchange with Helen Thomas and a reporter:
Q: Any comments on Israel?
HT: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine. Remember, these people are occupied and it's their land. It's not German, it's not Polish.
Q: So where should they go, what should they do?
HT: Go home.
Q: Where is the home?
HT: Poland. Germany.
Q: So you're saying Jews go back to Poland, Germany?
HT: And America and everywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14
Question is, will Helen Thomas be fired and will the left come out guns a blazing as they would were you to insert another ethnic group in for where she says Jews.
Some of the liberal groups are in a frenzy right now because they don't know how to react because they want to protect her but some are genuinely outraged.
My guess is she will be gone soon, but you just never know if the media chooses to turn a blind eye to this.
Q: Any comments on Israel?
HT: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine. Remember, these people are occupied and it's their land. It's not German, it's not Polish.
Q: So where should they go, what should they do?
HT: Go home.
Q: Where is the home?
HT: Poland. Germany.
Q: So you're saying Jews go back to Poland, Germany?
HT: And America and everywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14
Question is, will Helen Thomas be fired and will the left come out guns a blazing as they would were you to insert another ethnic group in for where she says Jews.
Some of the liberal groups are in a frenzy right now because they don't know how to react because they want to protect her but some are genuinely outraged.
My guess is she will be gone soon, but you just never know if the media chooses to turn a blind eye to this.
I
isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 6, 2010 2:42am
she tried to weasel out later
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/04/white-house-reporter-helen-thomas-apologizes-saying-jews-hell-palestine/
but hopefully she is gone.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/04/white-house-reporter-helen-thomas-apologizes-saying-jews-hell-palestine/
but hopefully she is gone.

believer
Posts: 8,153
Jun 6, 2010 8:18am
I doubt she'll be gone....just not so visible. And you are correct....she is a weasel.isadore;380394 wrote:she tried to weasel out later
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/04/white-house-reporter-helen-thomas-apologizes-saying-jews-hell-palestine/
but hopefully she is gone.

CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jun 6, 2010 8:31am
She doesn't make any sense lol! When I think of Judaism, Germany or Poland does not come to mind... historically.
She must be getting some form of dementia...
She must be getting some form of dementia...

Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Jun 6, 2010 8:45am

Just more garbage being spewed from the liberal leftwing media. What a skank.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 6, 2010 8:36pm
Other than Fox News I have seen almost zero coverage or outrage on this. Where is Al Sharpton, where is the mainstream media that formed a lynch mob after the Imus incident and demanded jobs?
The media seems to be rallying around and protecting one of their own right now with a veil of silence about the incident.
The media seems to be rallying around and protecting one of their own right now with a veil of silence about the incident.
I
isadore
Posts: 7,762
Jun 6, 2010 8:40pm
it was discussed by a panel on reliable sources on cnn this morning. some fire the anitsemite. some cut senile old hag some slack.

Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Jun 6, 2010 8:56pm
Two former whitehouse spokesmen say she should be fired.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/06/ari-fleischer-helen-thomas-fired/
This is an outrage, and the rascism in these comments is beyond belief. We all know the left rings the bell of rascism, but when they practice it themselves they're given a pass.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/06/ari-fleischer-helen-thomas-fired/
This is an outrage, and the rascism in these comments is beyond belief. We all know the left rings the bell of rascism, but when they practice it themselves they're given a pass.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 6, 2010 9:04pm
Mr. 300;381089 wrote:Two former whitehouse spokesmen say she should be fired.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/06/ari-fleischer-helen-thomas-fired/
This is an outrage, and the rascism in these comments is beyond belief. We all know the left rings the bell of rascism, but when they practice it themselves they're given a pass.
That is what I am saying. Can you imagine the shear rage that would be going on had this comment been said about say blacks and then Africe instead of Jews and Germay, Reverand Al would be shutting the world down right now and threatening a nuclear holocaust he would be so angry.
Since a comment disparaging an ethnic group was made by a member of the liberal elite though it is ignored largely by the lamestream media.
B
berry
Posts: 475
Jun 6, 2010 11:11pm
Mr. 300;380448 wrote:
Howard Cosell looks good in blue.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jun 6, 2010 11:30pm
shouldn't the Muslims get the hell out of Palestine? You know, if you follow the whole "who was there first" rule?

Thread Bomber
Posts: 1,851
Jun 7, 2010 8:29am
This will work as long as we send the Jews back to Egypt as slaves...LJ;381264 wrote:shouldn't the Muslims get the hell out of Palestine? You know, if you follow the whole "who was there first" rule?
Maybe they can find the ark on the 40 year walk back.

4cards
Posts: 2,551
Jun 7, 2010 8:34am
Mr. 300;380448 wrote:
.
...How the hell did Nanna get out of the home without anyone seeing her leave. If anybody sees here, take her to Green Valley Retirement Home, she's missing quilt class.

Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Jun 7, 2010 10:11am
I thought the Palestinians were desert nomads who NEVER had a land that was their own. When offered they refused and wanted to fight instead, and got their asses kicked. At least that 's what history has said.

fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 7, 2010 10:27am
It might be time for Helen to consider retirement.
J
jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 7, 2010 10:51am
Thread Bomber;381440 wrote:This will work as long as we send the Jews back to Egypt as slaves...
Maybe they can find the ark on the 40 year walk back.
Keep going back farther and the Jews were in what is "modern" Israel before they went to Egypt...I wonder how far we take that discussion back?
On topic, of course the main stream media will not be outraged over this, its one of their own lefties. If this were said by some conservative like Rush Limbaugh or Beck, Hannity, whatever they would have pitchforks and torches out.
J
jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 7, 2010 10:56am
Mr. 300;381491 wrote:I thought the Palestinians were desert nomads who NEVER had a land that was their own. When offered they refused and wanted to fight instead, and got their asses kicked. At least that 's what history has said.
Please don't insert historical facts to the liberals, they don't want them to cloud their opinions.
M
Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Jun 7, 2010 11:10am
Whoever posted that picture should be permabanned, or at least be forced to post a hottie pic in order to redeem themselves.

Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jun 7, 2010 11:23am
Went back 50 years or so....

It didn't get much better

It didn't get much better

ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2010 11:51am
IggyPride00;381065 wrote:Other than Fox News I have seen almost zero coverage or outrage on this. Where is Al Sharpton, where is the mainstream media that formed a lynch mob after the Imus incident and demanded jobs?
The media seems to be rallying around and protecting one of their own right now with a veil of silence about the incident.
Saw it on Morning Joe this morning, and all agreed it was pretty bad and she should retire.
It was just awful, and no excuse for her. But, she has been really, really bad of late, letting her bias come through.
I think it is time for her to retire.

Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Jun 7, 2010 12:13pm
The lack of outrage by the media to reign in one of their own has been quite telling.
Yet another black mark against an industry that continues to punch itself in the face at just about every opportunity.
Helen Thomas has been a bad joke in media circles for a long time now, yet the White House Press Corps treats her with the kind of respect that should be reserved for someone at the top of the profession, not someone who is the butt of jokes.
If any other public person had made this comment, they would have immediately lost their job.
I see no reason she should be given a pass on this.
Yet another black mark against an industry that continues to punch itself in the face at just about every opportunity.
Helen Thomas has been a bad joke in media circles for a long time now, yet the White House Press Corps treats her with the kind of respect that should be reserved for someone at the top of the profession, not someone who is the butt of jokes.
If any other public person had made this comment, they would have immediately lost their job.
I see no reason she should be given a pass on this.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2010 12:49pm
Welp, she just announced her retirement, effective immediately.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/06/gibbs-helen-thomas-remarks-off.html?hpid=topnews
The White House also came out pretty strongly against the remarks. I've heard no one of legitimacy defend her.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/06/gibbs-helen-thomas-remarks-off.html?hpid=topnews
The White House also came out pretty strongly against the remarks. I've heard no one of legitimacy defend her.
B
bigmanbt
Posts: 258
Jun 7, 2010 12:49pm
Serious question here:
Let's turn around what she said into another argument. How many of you think we should give the US back to the Native American Indians? Technically, it was their land first and we took it from them through war, shouldn't we give this land back to them? My point is, the Jewish people lost their homeland, and because we felt bad after WWII, we gave them their homeland back by stealing land from the Palestinians. If you are going to say the Jewish people should have the Isreal area because they were there first, then you should also feel the Indians should have the US back, unless you are a pragmatist, which means you'll give different biased valuations of each situation presented.
Furthermore, I don't really see the problem with Hamas. They were democratically elected and they have agreed to let the Jewish people keep the original homeland given to them, a HUGE concession, as long as they give back areas they've gained through war, like the Gaza Strip and West Bank areas. It's the Isrealites who won't agree to this and continue to push harsh penalities on foreign nations, all the while building more settlements on Palestinian land.
Let's turn around what she said into another argument. How many of you think we should give the US back to the Native American Indians? Technically, it was their land first and we took it from them through war, shouldn't we give this land back to them? My point is, the Jewish people lost their homeland, and because we felt bad after WWII, we gave them their homeland back by stealing land from the Palestinians. If you are going to say the Jewish people should have the Isreal area because they were there first, then you should also feel the Indians should have the US back, unless you are a pragmatist, which means you'll give different biased valuations of each situation presented.
Furthermore, I don't really see the problem with Hamas. They were democratically elected and they have agreed to let the Jewish people keep the original homeland given to them, a HUGE concession, as long as they give back areas they've gained through war, like the Gaza Strip and West Bank areas. It's the Isrealites who won't agree to this and continue to push harsh penalities on foreign nations, all the while building more settlements on Palestinian land.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jun 7, 2010 1:00pm
Not that simplistic. Land was fractured after the Ottoman Empire and the British Mandate. Even before then, Jews and Christians lived in different areas in the area known as "Palestine".bigmanbt;381603 wrote:Serious question here:
Let's turn around what she said into another argument. How many of you think we should give the US back to the Native American Indians? Technically, it was their land first and we took it from them through war, shouldn't we give this land back to them? My point is, the Jewish people lost their homeland, and because we felt bad after WWII, we gave them their homeland back by stealing land from the Palestinians. If you are going to say the Jewish people should have the Isreal area because they were there first, then you should also feel the Indians should have the US back, unless you are a pragmatist, which means you'll give different biased valuations of each situation presented.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to at the very least formally recognize the state of Israel and its right to exist at least pre-1967 borders. Until then, they have little credibility to the Israelis. Also, yes they were elected, but then they nearly threw away that legitimacy with the full take over of Gaza in 07.Furthermore, I don't really see the problem with Hamas. They were democratically elected and they have agreed to let the Jewish people keep the original homeland given to them, a HUGE concession, as long as they give back areas they've gained through war, like the Gaza Strip and West Bank areas. It's the Isrealites who won't agree to this and continue to push harsh penalities on foreign nations, all the while building more settlements on Palestinian land.
I've always said, the region is more complex than people think. The issue does not fit into a nice and neat box of comparisons or good vs. evil.
B
bigmanbt
Posts: 258
Jun 7, 2010 1:18pm
ptown_trojans_1;381609 wrote:Not that simplistic. Land was fractured after the Ottoman Empire and the British Mandate. Even before then, Jews and Christians lived in different areas in the area known as "Palestine".
If Jews and Christians lived there before, why the need to establish a Jewish nation? Why not a Christian nation as well? Looking over some stuff on wiki (I know it's not always right), it said Jews and Christians were allowed to live peacefully in the area and weren't even subject to Muslim Law. Why the need to interfere? It seems that all we've done is make the Muslim people hate the Jewish people and faith and turn the area into a warzone with the intervention of the UN.