chs_redskins
Posts: 394
Jun 5, 2010 8:09am
Grady Sizemore is out for the season, no link, I'm posting on my phone. It's on ESPN.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Jun 5, 2010 8:20am
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100604&content_id=10792462¬ebook_id=10797344&vkey=notebook_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Maybe he'll be back in time for the playoffs??
i kid, i kid
Maybe he'll be back in time for the playoffs??
i kid, i kid
newarkcatholicfan
Posts: 3,199
Jun 5, 2010 9:09am
Best thing for him.
He was not 100% and his play was so bad he was not helping the team at all.
Hopefully he is 100% to kick off the new season.
He was not 100% and his play was so bad he was not helping the team at all.
Hopefully he is 100% to kick off the new season.
B
BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 5, 2010 9:45am
No biggie. Hope he heals well. Seasons been in the shitcan since the end of April.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 5, 2010 10:14am
BR1986FB;379788 wrote:No biggie. Hope he heals well. Team has been in the shitcan since the Dolans bought them
fixed
B
BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 5, 2010 2:46pm
wes_mantooth;379801 wrote:fixed
True story
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 5, 2010 3:00pm
You have to start to wonder if maybe he's just one of those guys that is made of glass. Promising player when he was healthy but that has been a challenge for him the past few years.
BlueDevil11
Posts: 1,911
Jun 5, 2010 5:19pm
krazie45;379911 wrote:You have to start to wonder if maybe he's just one of those guys that is made of glass. Promising player when he was healthy but that has been a challenge for him the past few years.
Travis Hafner?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 5, 2010 5:59pm
Grady was an ironman at one point. I think he played over 300 games straight, but now he seems to be having issues staying healthy.
I don't think he ever fully healed from last season as it was, so all this time will be good for him. Sucks though.
I don't think he ever fully healed from last season as it was, so all this time will be good for him. Sucks though.
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Jun 5, 2010 6:25pm
BlueDevil11;379967 wrote:Travis Hafner?
Difference I think Hafner had a "little help" if you know what I mean. He sure is looking smaller these days.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Jun 5, 2010 6:32pm
Fricking Bummer!
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jun 5, 2010 6:38pm
I dealt him at the right time in my fantasy league. It's time for the Tribe to deal the old guys on their team and just play all the young guys. Bring up Santana and Brantley and see what happens. It can be any worse. In fact I'd argue it would be an improvement.
The current regime has been atrocious at developing talent. They yank people around way too much. Just put them in the lineup and let them play. It's hard for a guy to get better when he is playing one position one day, and another the next day. Sometimes it's even worse, they'll play a guy for a day or two and then sit him for a few days.
The current regime has been atrocious at developing talent. They yank people around way too much. Just put them in the lineup and let them play. It's hard for a guy to get better when he is playing one position one day, and another the next day. Sometimes it's even worse, they'll play a guy for a day or two and then sit him for a few days.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 5, 2010 6:58pm
Carlos Santana will be up when it doesn't affect his ML clock.
That should be sometime soon (within the next couple of weeks).
Basically, since you don't seem to understand why Santana hasn't been brought up yet, is that if the Tribe waits to bring him up after a certain time, it doesn't take away an option year, which in turn keeps his arbitration away.
If they bring him up in a few weeks, it'll be the same as if they waited until next year to bring him up. His "arbitration clock" won't start ticking, is essentially what I'm saying.
That should be sometime soon (within the next couple of weeks).
Basically, since you don't seem to understand why Santana hasn't been brought up yet, is that if the Tribe waits to bring him up after a certain time, it doesn't take away an option year, which in turn keeps his arbitration away.
If they bring him up in a few weeks, it'll be the same as if they waited until next year to bring him up. His "arbitration clock" won't start ticking, is essentially what I'm saying.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jun 5, 2010 7:09pm
hoops23;380044 wrote:Carlos Santana will be up when it doesn't affect his ML clock.
That should be sometime soon (within the next couple of weeks).
Basically, since you don't seem to understand why Santana hasn't been brought up yet, is that if the Tribe waits to bring him up after a certain time, it doesn't take away an option year, which in turn keeps his arbitration away.
If they bring him up in a few weeks, it'll be the same as if they waited until next year to bring him up. His "arbitration clock" won't start ticking, is essentially what I'm saying.
haha at you lecturing me about the arbitration clock. It's past June 1st. The arbitration argument has no bearing anymore.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 5, 2010 7:17pm
Ok, and like I said, he'll be up soon.
However, you were bitching back in early May about why Santana wasn't up yet.
However, you were bitching back in early May about why Santana wasn't up yet.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jun 5, 2010 7:27pm
hoops23;380057 wrote:Ok, and like I said, he'll be up soon.
However, you were bitching back in early May about why Santana wasn't up yet.
I still stand by my earlier comments too. The dude has been ready for some time. Besides, I'd argue more fans would show up (i.e. more money to spend) if you brought Santana up a long time ago. The guy is a stud. Worst case scenario, the same amount of fans show up; well, the Dolans have plenty of money and the old "woe is me, I'm a small market team" argument is garbage. These owners get millions of dollars each year from other teams and they stuff it in their back pocket. Besides, do you think the Dolans were just given the team? You have to be loaded to buy a pro ball team. They have the money to spend, they just won't.
Which brings us back to square 1. Santana has been ready for some time, and the current catchers have no business on a big league roster. Seems pretty simple to me.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 5, 2010 7:34pm
^^^Its not like we are trying to rationalize what is happening with the Indians with Dolan not spending. We all think they blow a dick and we know they have the money. We are just stating the facts. The facts are the WONT spend money and because of that they were NOT going to bring up Santana and bring his arbitration into play a year earlier.
I dont know what they are waiting for now however.
I dont know what they are waiting for now however.
B
BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 5, 2010 8:06pm
BlueDevil11;379967 wrote:Travis Hafner?
Hafner just crashed hard when he came off the sauce. That's usually the way it works.
The owner of a gym I used to train at was Mr Eastern USA. Dude could get doubles with 700 lbs on the bench and squat close to 1000. He had a little issue where he had to go cold turkey. Guy struggled to do leg extensions with 25 lbs after that. Not only do you crash but you usually can lift LESS weight than you did naturally when you come off. Pretty sad really.
Shit also weakens tendons, etc which will leave you susceptible to injury.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 5, 2010 8:10pm
BR1986FB;380110 wrote:Hafner just crashed hard when he came off the sauce. That's usually the way it works.
The owner of a gym I used to train at was Mr Eastern USA. Dude could get doubles with 700 lbs on the bench and squat close to 1000. He had a little issue where he had to go cold turkey. Guy struggled to do leg extensions with 25 lbs after that. Not only do you crash but you usually can lift LESS weight than you did naturally when you come off. Pretty sad really.
Shit also weakens tendons, etc which will leave you susceptible to injury.
Crazy talk...Hafner said he never took steroids. And the one thing I know about athletes is....they never lie about that kind of stuff....
[video=youtube;kAxo4pCITRM][/video]
BlueDevil11
Posts: 1,911
Jun 5, 2010 8:15pm
jordo212000;380024 wrote:I dealt him at the right time in my fantasy league. It's time for the Tribe to deal the old guys on their team and just play all the young guys. Bring up Santana and Brantley and see what happens. It can be any worse. In fact I'd argue it would be an improvement.
The current regime has been atrocious at developing talent. They yank people around way too much. Just put them in the lineup and let them play. It's hard for a guy to get better when he is playing one position one day, and another the next day. Sometimes it's even worse, they'll play a guy for a day or two and then sit him for a few days.
Exactly.
One day Laporta will play first, then he will sit for 2 days, then he will be in the outfield for 2 days, then back to first, bench, etc.
Its tough for a player to develop the skills necessary to succeed in the pros when he plays multiple positions and then he sits the bench for a couple days. I don't care if they like him better as an infielder or and outfielder, pick a position and let him play there.
B
BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 5, 2010 8:15pm
Palmeiro looks like he should be saying "no soup for you!" to George Costanza.
T
trep14
Posts: 842
Jun 5, 2010 9:29pm
Apparently they want to give Lou Marson every chance in the world to show that he was somehow worth dealing Cliff Lee over. That is the only way I could possibly justify Santana not currently being an everyday player for the Tribe. Dude is tearing up in Columbus. I love that they are trying to justify it by saying he isn't ready because of his defense. For every run he gives up on defense that Marson wouldn't, he will drive in two more runs than Marson would on offense.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jun 5, 2010 11:36pm
Lou Marson: .200 batting average
Mike Redmond: .220 batting average
Carlos Santana: .316 batting avg, 11 HRs, 46 RBI
Which one/two should be in AAA?
Mike Redmond: .220 batting average
Carlos Santana: .316 batting avg, 11 HRs, 46 RBI
Which one/two should be in AAA?
T
trep14
Posts: 842
Jun 5, 2010 11:52pm
jordo212000;380254 wrote:Lou Marson: .200 batting average
Mike Redmond: .220 batting average
Carlos Santana: .316 batting avg, 11 HRs, 46 RBI
Which one/two should be in AAA?
Not to mention that Marson and Redmond have combined for no home runs and 12 rbis on the season. There is no logical reason for Santana to still be in AAA at this point.
S
Swamp Fox
Posts: 2,218
Jun 6, 2010 12:15am
It may not be that much because Chicago has been bad also, but the Indians have gone into Chicago and taken two in a row and bad or not, the White Sox lineup is formidable. Perhaps a slight glimmer of hope yet for this season. You have to keep plugging away. every victory they can get is
one less loss they will have and who knows...you just can't ever give up.
one less loss they will have and who knows...you just can't ever give up.