Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
May 26, 2010 2:10am
wow, sounds a lot like my friend. her graduating class was about 100.Red_Skin_Pride wrote:I graduated in 2005 and we've had 11 people that either were IN high school or who had recently graduated from our high school who have been killed since we graduated. We're averaging over 2 per year, in a town of less than 2k people....not good. And it's not fun. I know how it feels, many times over for the friends and family of this guy. Peace and comfort be with them, RIP young man.Glory Days wrote: I dont think anyone was saying he deserved what happend. its more just we arent surprised. you play with fire, you're going to get burned. just like UA5straightin2008 was saying, even though they were told of what could happen when swimming there in the quarry, the continued to do it.
i was actually just talking about this with a friend. she has known about 10 people from her really small highschool that have died since graduating less than 9 years ago. non were from natural causes or diseases. one person just recently overdosed on drugs when only a few months ago, his friend died from drugs. even though that kid obviously just witnessed first hand what could happen, he decided to continue down that path. another 3 kids were killed in a car accident while still in school. after it happend everyone was going around preaching wear your seatbelt and all that stuff. a few months later, those same people were the ones speeding through town recklessly and without seat belts on.
Red_Skin_Pride
Posts: 1,226
May 26, 2010 2:18am
yeah, mine was like 125. Some have been older, some have been younger, and some were our age. But regardless, it takes its toll in a town where everybody, and I do mean EVERYBODY knows everybody. Kinda like if you don't know you're buisiness, don't worry because someone else does kind of thing. It's been bad, and we've gone about 6 months now without anything bad, so a lot of people are getting a little nervous, because if the pattern of the last several years holds up, we're due for another tragedy soon.Glory Days wrote:wow, sounds a lot like my friend. her graduating class was about 100.Red_Skin_Pride wrote:I graduated in 2005 and we've had 11 people that either were IN high school or who had recently graduated from our high school who have been killed since we graduated. We're averaging over 2 per year, in a town of less than 2k people....not good. And it's not fun. I know how it feels, many times over for the friends and family of this guy. Peace and comfort be with them, RIP young man.Glory Days wrote: I dont think anyone was saying he deserved what happend. its more just we arent surprised. you play with fire, you're going to get burned. just like UA5straightin2008 was saying, even though they were told of what could happen when swimming there in the quarry, the continued to do it.
i was actually just talking about this with a friend. she has known about 10 people from her really small highschool that have died since graduating less than 9 years ago. non were from natural causes or diseases. one person just recently overdosed on drugs when only a few months ago, his friend died from drugs. even though that kid obviously just witnessed first hand what could happen, he decided to continue down that path. another 3 kids were killed in a car accident while still in school. after it happend everyone was going around preaching wear your seatbelt and all that stuff. a few months later, those same people were the ones speeding through town recklessly and without seat belts on.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
May 26, 2010 6:03am
never understood why people jump into quarry's...just dumb. Sad to hear this, but maybe this will stop others from jumpin in
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pepperpot
Posts: 646
May 26, 2010 6:52am
Prayers to all from Columbiana County.............RIP
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noreply66
Posts: 466
May 26, 2010 7:07am
I was following this on Fox news. went to bed a little after 11.
Looks like they found him about that time
Just too sad
Looks like they found him about that time
Just too sad
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
May 26, 2010 7:23am
RIP. May God grant his family peace, comfort and understanding
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
May 26, 2010 7:49am
Lots of people jump into quarries. Lots of people drive in cars. Just because somebody dies doing something doesn't mean we stop doing it.derek bomar wrote: never understood why people jump into quarry's...just dumb. Sad to hear this, but maybe this will stop others from jumpin in
Whens the last time someone died in a car accident and someone said "never understood why people drive in cars"
Accidents happen. And thats all this was is an accident.
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cbus4life
Posts: 2,849
May 26, 2010 8:52am
What a shame.
Thoughts are with his family and friends.
Really enjoyed watching him play football, loved his running style.
Thoughts are with his family and friends.
Really enjoyed watching him play football, loved his running style.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 26, 2010 9:11am
Thoughts and prayers go out.
I've got a question, why is it considered so dangerous to swim in a Quarry? And what are the air pockets?
I've got a question, why is it considered so dangerous to swim in a Quarry? And what are the air pockets?
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
May 26, 2010 9:14am
Man, this is just tragic. Really hits home, I used to cliff jump off waterfalls and into old mine holes in my hometown, after being told NUMEROUS times by my parents not to. Even slipped on a rock once that nearly sent me headfirst down the falls, but I grabbed my buddies arm to prevent the fall. Just hearing this brings me back to those "carefree summers" that, in retrospect, could have reaped a similar sad story. RIP, truly a sad day.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
May 26, 2010 9:49am
this is a sad sad story.
crazy to think how quick this happened.
crazy to think how quick this happened.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 26, 2010 9:58am
Yeah I'm not familiar with quarries, what's the issue with them? Why are they so dangerous?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
May 26, 2010 10:05am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarry
Water-filled quarries can be very deep with water, often 50 feet or more, that is often surprisingly cold. Unexpectedly cold water can cause a swimmer's muscles to suddenly weaken; it can also cause shock and even hypothermia.[2] Though quarry water is often very clear, submerged quarry stones and abandoned equipment make diving into these quarries extremely dangerous. Several teenagers and young men and women drown in quarries each year.[3][4] However, many inactive quarries are converted into safe swimming sites.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
May 26, 2010 10:08am
There are rocks everywhere (sometimes unstable), that tends to be the biggest issue, but the water is sometimes colder than other places because the ground has been dug below the water table. If you look at recent news stories, there are plenty of kids around the country that have died jumping into quarries the past few years:
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/nash-central-senior-killed-diving-accident-19783
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/06/man_21_killed_j.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/16477809/detail.html
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/nash-central-senior-killed-diving-accident-19783
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/06/man_21_killed_j.html
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/16477809/detail.html
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 26, 2010 10:10am
That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Wouldn't there be the same risk in swimming in the ocean? What about a Lake?
I don't know if we will ever know, but do people think this was a result of him getting stuck on something, hitting his head or what?
I don't know if we will ever know, but do people think this was a result of him getting stuck on something, hitting his head or what?
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
May 26, 2010 10:12am
It's mostly a combination of diving from a high place, lots of rock, sometimes unstable rock, and colder-than-usual water.thedynasty1998 wrote: That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Wouldn't there be the same risk in swimming in the ocean? What about a Lake?
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hilliardfan
Posts: 193
May 26, 2010 10:14am
Generally, from my understanding, quarries are dangerous for a few reasons. First, they are usually deep. Since they are mined areas they can easily be 50-100 feet deep, or deeper. However, I understand that may not have been the case with this particular spot where a report I read stated the water may have only been about 10 feet deep. Second, because they are deep the water is very often cold. It may be warmer near the surface but gets quite cold the deeper you go. I presume this could lead to cramps or loss of breath (i.e. the cold will take your breath away). Finally, jumping into a quarry isn't like walking into a lake where it gets deeper the further from shore you get. A quarry lake, because it is a mined area is deep immediately.
This is my understanding of why a quarry lake make be unsafe. I could be wrong on each point.
This is my understanding of why a quarry lake make be unsafe. I could be wrong on each point.
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Zoltan
Posts: 1,003
May 26, 2010 10:35am
A few questions:
What does depth have to do with anything? If you cant touch the bottom and stand it doesn't matter if its 10ft deep or 1,000 ft. right?
The cold part I get but didnt his buddies jump right along with him and not have a problem with the cold water?
This really sad, but doesn't make much sense to me.
What does depth have to do with anything? If you cant touch the bottom and stand it doesn't matter if its 10ft deep or 1,000 ft. right?
The cold part I get but didnt his buddies jump right along with him and not have a problem with the cold water?
This really sad, but doesn't make much sense to me.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
May 26, 2010 11:30am
Awful news. Thoughts and prayers are with the family. Also feel terrible for his friends, apparently they waited close to 90 minutes before they called for help because they thought he was playing around. I hope those kids are ok as well
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
May 26, 2010 11:35am
I would guess that the depth is because at 10' deep your friends can jump in and save you, but the deeper the water is the harder it is to help.Zoltan wrote: What does depth have to do with anything? If you cant touch the bottom and stand it doesn't matter if its 10ft deep or 1,000 ft. right?
The cold part I get but didnt his buddies jump right along with him and not have a problem with the cold water?
Also, I've been in a pool that was 4' deep and there were definite places where it was significantly colder. Again, I'm just guessing, but I imagine there could be really cold pockets of water that an unlucky person might jump into, while his friends jump beside him and miss.
This is a very sad story.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
May 26, 2010 12:11pm
Sad story, but something that could have easily been prevented
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
May 26, 2010 12:57pm
well, i guess if he jumps in and becomes disoriented, he may swim in what he thinks is up and be going the wrong way. in shallow water, that wouldnt be bad, you might only swim 10ft down and realize you hit the bottom maybe and go the other way and still be able to hold your breath. when i went whitewater rafting they stressed that if you fall out of the boat, dont try and swim up, just let yourself float back to the top because you'll probably be a little disoriented.Zoltan wrote: A few questions:
What does depth have to do with anything? If you cant touch the bottom and stand it doesn't matter if its 10ft deep or 1,000 ft. right?
The cold part I get but didnt his buddies jump right along with him and not have a problem with the cold water?
This really sad, but doesn't make much sense to me.
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Zoltan
Posts: 1,003
May 26, 2010 1:37pm
Glory Days wrote:well, i guess if he jumps in and becomes disoriented, he may swim in what he thinks is up and be going the wrong way. in shallow water, that wouldnt be bad, you might only swim 10ft down and realize you hit the bottom maybe and go the other way and still be able to hold your breath. when i went whitewater rafting they stressed that if you fall out of the boat, dont try and swim up, just let yourself float back to the top because you'll probably be a little disoriented.Zoltan wrote: A few questions:
What does depth have to do with anything? If you cant touch the bottom and stand it doesn't matter if its 10ft deep or 1,000 ft. right?
The cold part I get but didnt his buddies jump right along with him and not have a problem with the cold water?
This really sad, but doesn't make much sense to me.
That's what I was thinking, even if you jumped in and hit freezing water, just do nothing and you will at least float to the top. It is so easy to say things like that when its not you involved though.
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
May 26, 2010 1:49pm
This quarry is about 10mins from my house. Last year myself and 3 of my friends went there and I was scared out of my mind to jump in. Just to get to the quarry is a feat in it's self. Very sad to hear this as I've hung out with Rico a couple of times before this happened. RIP Rico.
Prayers from Hilliard.
Prayers from Hilliard.
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
May 26, 2010 3:00pm
I believe the quarry's name is Marble Cliff.