Bruce Monnin inconsolable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604

hahaha, poor Bruce.

In other breaking news...

The sky is blue.

Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.

Holly Mangold is hot.

Floyd Landis is everything that's wrong with America.

....and throws Armstrong under the bus.

Floyd Landis was a douche bag the first time you heard his name, and he's still a douche bag now.

Landis might be the Canseco of cycling. I'm sure what he says could/probably is true but whos gonna believe him.

Roid Landis...what a doosh

goldengonzo wrote: Floyd Landis is everything that's wrong with America.

THIS. The guy asked people to donate to his legal defense fund, and fucking knew he was guilty.

BCBulldog wrote: In other breaking news...

The sky is blue.

Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.

Holly Mangold is hot.

Ricky Martin is gay.

Well, with the added scrutiny, it will be interesting to see how Armstrong performs in this year's TdF.

My theory has always been Lance may have doped in his first few wins, but once he became bigger than life maybe he just super-doped his super-domestiques. On the other hand, why would you stop if you knew the tests couldn't catch you? But then he performed quite well last year after 3 years away at the age of 38. It's just inconceivable to me that he would risk everything to come back and dope again, but it's easy to underestimate the arrogance and entitlement of star athletes.

But right or wrong, Armstrong made a good point: Landis simply has no credibility. Plus, Landis claimed the same program was funded by his new team, and he got caught. I guess we're just supposed to assume that once Armstrong retired and they turned their attention to all the other cyclists that it's coincidence they started dropping like flies. I guess the tests caught up shortly after Lance retired.

I've seen some of the scientific data and it jumps out at you the way Bonds production and physique did in his mid-30s. Safe to assume the PEDs are rampant in cycling and it's tough to think Armstrong didn't cheat on at least a few of those titles. Of course, level playing field but Armstrong hasn't merely denied it, he's defended himself in the courts. If they ever proved Armstrong cheated it would be one of the biggest scandals in the history of pro sports (because of who he is and the denials). The millions of cancer survivors who have drawn inspiration from Armstrong's story would justifiably feel betrayed, and that's what I can't believe he risked to come back and start doping again. Maybe Armstrong is able to find some perverse justification, but if he was able to do what he did at 38 clean, then it's possible he was clean when he was winning.

gut wrote: Well, with the added scrutiny, it will be interesting to see how Armstrong performs in this year's TdF.

My theory has always been Lance may have doped in his first few wins, but once he became bigger than life maybe he just super-doped his super-domestiques. On the other hand, why would you stop if you knew the tests couldn't catch you? But then he performed quite well last year after 3 years away at the age of 38. It's just inconceivable to me that he would risk everything to come back and dope again, but it's easy to underestimate the arrogance and entitlement of star athletes.

But right or wrong, Armstrong made a good point: Landis simply has no credibility. Plus, Landis claimed the same program was funded by his new team, and he got caught. I guess we're just supposed to assume that once Armstrong retired and they turned their attention to all the other cyclists that it's coincidence they started dropping like flies. I guess the tests caught up shortly after Lance retired.

I've seen some of the scientific data and it jumps out at you the way Bonds production and physique did in his mid-30s. Safe to assume the PEDs are rampant in cycling and it's tough to think Armstrong didn't cheat on at least a few of those titles. Of course, level playing field but Armstrong hasn't merely denied it, he's defended himself in the courts. If they ever proved Armstrong cheated it would be one of the biggest scandals in the history of pro sports (because of who he is and the denials). The millions of cancer survivors who have drawn inspiration from Armstrong's story would justifiably feel betrayed, and that's what I can't believe he risked to come back and start doping again. Maybe Armstrong is able to find some perverse justification, but if he was able to do what he did at 38 clean, then it's possible he was clean when he was winning.

So, in other words: blah, blah, blah.

landis is a piece of shit. Lied to everyone, spent millions of dollars, caused his father in law and best friend to kill himself, had his wife divorce him and he says "I would do it all again"

At least 3 of Lance's former teammates have been busted for doping or some sort of PED (Landis, Tyler Hamilton, and I forget the other).

I think it's undeniable US Postal and Discovery had a very advanced doping program. I think it's a virtual certainty Armstrong doped pre-cancer (his early denials were somewhat vague and elusive which I always felt left open the possibility that he was only clean post-cancer).

You can debate this all day and there are pretty strong arguments on both sides. All I know is Lance was the most tested athlete in the world - by far - and was never caught. Yet, when he retired and all those resources turned to the rest of the sport, they were catching guys by the dozen. At the same time, it's pretty obvious US Postal/Discvoery had a doping program and most of those guys got caught after leaving the team. But you could make the argument they would have been caught if not for the nearly singular focus on Armstrong.