thedynasty1998 wrote:

dave wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: I've always wondered why Ferentz is paid so much by Iowa, although I do think he's a good coach, I just don't think he's elite.

They just won the Orange Bowl, I'd say he's a very good investment.

I think Ferentz is a very good coach, I'm not saying that. Just that he might be overpaid compared to where he stands in relation to other big time coaching gigs.

Here's a list I found:
1. Mack Brown, Texas $5,100,000
2. Pete Carroll, USC $4,400,000
3. Urban Meyer, Florida $4,000,000
4. Nick Saban, Alabama $3,900,000
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma $3,800,000
6. Les Miles, LSU $3,800,000
7. Jim Tressel, Ohio State $3,500,000
8. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa $3,030,000
9. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas $2,900,000
10. Mark Richt, Georgia$2,900,000
11. Rich Rodriguez, Michigan $2,900,000
12. Bobby Bowden, FSU(Retired) $2,500,000
12. Gary Pinkel, Missouri $2,500,000
T12. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss $2,500,000
T16. Mark Mangino, Kansas $2,300,000
T16. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech $2,300,000
18. Greg Schiano, Rutgers $2,250,000
19. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech $2,100,000
T19. Butch Davis, North Carolina $2,100,000
T21. June Jones, SMU $2,000,000
T21. Lane Kiffin, Tennessee $2,000,000
T21. Gene Chizik, Auburn $2,000,000
24. Al Groh, Virginia $1,875,000
25. Bo Pelini, Nebraska $1,851,000

After looking at that list, there might be a few others more deserving than Ferentz...

To remark on Ferentz...Iowa has been trying for years to build an image. That image is an inviting, family environment, much like what you see at OSU with Tressel. Sure, you can go get an elite coach if you pay him enough (ala Saban going to Alabama), but not just any coach can create the environment that Ferentz has at Iowa. They are content most years to win 8,9,10 games an get to a respectable bowl game, so long as the graduation rate is awesome and the kids don't get in trouble...two things that Ferentz has been extremely successful at in his time there. They feel he is "the" guy for their job and to be the face of the football program, and they will continue to pay him quite well as long as he continues to benefit the university in the ways they want.

And the list? Wow. I can't believe some of the names on there. Bobby Petrino? Really? He hasn't really taken off there like they hoped he would. Al Groh? Since when have the Wahoos won ANYTHING in football worth remembering. Bout the last good thing from their football program was the Barber brothers. But the guy that stands out to me the MOST: Gary Pinkel. They've never even won their CONFERENCE or played in a BCS game under GP and he's tied for 12th in all of CFB??? WHY????

^^^ Bobby Petrino showed his value at Louisville. He's only been at Arkansas 2 years, so way to early to tell if that is going to work out or not. 8-5 last year is a step in the right direction. I agree with you on Pinkel. No doubt he has put that program on the map since he's been there, but when you make that kind of money you expect some conference titles.

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

You didn't do any work for me I just didn't post the link. Do you think I just magically came up with those numbers that were right on? I think you were being condescending towards me :dodgy:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

Same thing can be said for Meyer at Florida I guess?

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

The answer to that goes without saying, Ohio State is one of the elite programs in college football while Iowa is in the next tier down. That being said Ferentz does a nice job at Iowa and recruits Texas pretty successfully. Tressel has a ton of home grown talent and is able to recruit nationally more so than Ferentz. Both are good college coaches and both are good for their schools and college football, I don't see much difference when comparing their coaching skills.

Tressel has, and will always be the best coach in the country. While many Buckeye fans will get frustrated with his lack of performance at times, we all know we have something special and wouldn't trade it for anything or anyone, and you can take that to the bank.

0311sdp wrote:

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

The answer to that goes without saying, Ohio State is one of the elite programs in college football while Iowa is in the next tier down. That being said Ferentz does a nice job at Iowa and recruits Texas pretty successfully. Tressel has a ton of home grown talent and is able to recruit nationally more so than Ferentz. Both are good college coaches and both are good for their schools and college football, I don't see much difference when comparing their coaching skills.

very well put.

Pick6 wrote:

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

Same thing can be said for Meyer at Florida I guess?

you absolutely could, but no one is comparing Meyer's accomplishments at Florida to Ferentz at Iowa. A better comparison would be Meyer taking a down Utah program and going 22-2 in two seasons there.

TheMightyGators wrote:

Pick6 wrote:

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

Same thing can be said for Meyer at Florida I guess?

you absolutely could, but no one is comparing Meyer's accomplishments at Florida to Ferentz at Iowa. A better comparison would be Meyer taking a down Utah program and going 22-2 in two seasons there.

What im getting at is that you could take any coach in the country from one of the big 6 conferences and have them coach the scrub of their conference and it would take them a few years to build into a respectable program.

I think Tressel has met expectations at Ohio State, and Ferentz has met the expectations at Iowa(a bar lower then OSU)..if that makes sense..

Pick6 wrote: still remember tebows soph year i think it was..where georgia stormed the field and celebrated after they scored the first td..that was pretty neat

And that has bearing in this discussion how??

sleeper wrote: Tressel has, and will always be the best coach in the country. While many Buckeye fans will get frustrated with his lack of performance at times, we all know we have something special and wouldn't trade it for anything or anyone, and you can take that to the bank.

Umm...no sorry but he isnt

gibby08 wrote:

sleeper wrote: Tressel has, and will always be the best coach in the country. While many Buckeye fans will get frustrated with his lack of performance at times, we all know we have something special and wouldn't trade it for anything or anyone, and you can take that to the bank.

Umm...no sorry but he isnt

LOL aww poor Urban wouldn't win a damn game in a real conference. I'd love to see what Urban could do when ethics and sportsmanship are involved.

TheMightyGators wrote:

Pick6 wrote:

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

Same thing can be said for Meyer at Florida I guess?

you absolutely could, but no one is comparing Meyer's accomplishments at Florida to Ferentz at Iowa. A better comparison would be Meyer taking a down Utah program and going 22-2 in two seasons there.

Tressel won a national title in his second season at OSU. While OSU is a traditionally strong program, the program was going through some rough seasons and Tressel returned it to its former glory.

I'm not taking anything away from Ferentz, but I still don't see him being as good of a coach as Tressel.

And your hypothetical of if Tressel was at Indiana was a terrible analogy. No coach could do that program any good. Now if Tressel was at Iowa, I think he would get that program to the next level better than Ferentz. And I don't think Ferentz could have took OSU to the title game 3 times or win a NC. JMO

dwccrew wrote:

TheMightyGators wrote:

Pick6 wrote:

TheMightyGators wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Karen may be right.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/22220/report-weis-paid-2-9-million-by-notre-dame

May be? Thanks.

Are you thanking me for doing your work for you and posting a link, or were you just being condescending? :rolleyes:

fortfan wrote: Somebody must think Ferentz does a good job-he has won Big Ten COY awards-something Jim Tressel seemingly can't do.

True, Tressel can't win coach of the year honors, but he can win National Championships, multiple BCS games and a plethora of Big 10 championships; something Ferentz seemingly can't do. Oh, and Tressel is 5-1 against Ferentz, thought I'd throw that in for good measure. http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=1059367

Note- link is only thru the 2008 season, but OSU did win against Iowa in 2009, putting their record at 5-1 against them in the Tressel era.

Who cares about awards, give me results.

I'm not here to say either one is better than the other, but are you comparing apples to apples? Hypothetically speaking, if Tressel were at Indiana, do you think he would have a National Championship, plethora of Big10 championships and 5-1 record against Ferentz? Is it easier to recruit great players to go to Ohio St. or Iowa?

Same thing can be said for Meyer at Florida I guess?

you absolutely could, but no one is comparing Meyer's accomplishments at Florida to Ferentz at Iowa. A better comparison would be Meyer taking a down Utah program and going 22-2 in two seasons there.

Tressel won a national title in his second season at OSU. While OSU is a traditionally strong program, the program was going through some rough seasons and Tressel returned it to its former glory.

I'm not taking anything away from Ferentz, but I still don't see him being as good of a coach as Tressel.
And your hypothetical of if Tressel was at Indiana was a terrible analogy. No coach could do that program any good. Now if Tressel was at Iowa, I think he would get that program to the next level better than Ferentz. And I don't think Ferentz could have took OSU to the title game 3 times or win a NC. JMO

You are right, it's just your opinion. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't really prove anything. And the point about Tressel being at Indiana was to show you can't take conference championships or bcs appearances as a measuring stick of how good a coach is compared to another coach at a lesser school.

thedynasty1998 wrote:

dave wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: I've always wondered why Ferentz is paid so much by Iowa, although I do think he's a good coach, I just don't think he's elite.

They just won the Orange Bowl, I'd say he's a very good investment.

I think Ferentz is a very good coach, I'm not saying that. Just that he might be overpaid compared to where he stands in relation to other big time coaching gigs.

Here's a list I found:
1. Mack Brown, Texas $5,100,000
2. Pete Carroll, USC $4,400,000
3. Urban Meyer, Florida $4,000,000
4. Nick Saban, Alabama $3,900,000
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma $3,800,000
6. Les Miles, LSU $3,800,000
7. Jim Tressel, Ohio State $3,500,000
8. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa $3,030,000
9. Bobby Petrino, Arkansas $2,900,000
10. Mark Richt, Georgia$2,900,000
11. Rich Rodriguez, Michigan $2,900,000
12. Bobby Bowden, FSU(Retired) $2,500,000
12. Gary Pinkel, Missouri $2,500,000
T12. Houston Nutt, Ole Miss $2,500,000
T16. Mark Mangino, Kansas $2,300,000
T16. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech $2,300,000
18. Greg Schiano, Rutgers $2,250,000
19. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech $2,100,000
T19. Butch Davis, North Carolina $2,100,000
T21. June Jones, SMU $2,000,000
T21. Lane Kiffin, Tennessee $2,000,000
T21. Gene Chizik, Auburn $2,000,000
24. Al Groh, Virginia $1,875,000
25. Bo Pelini, Nebraska $1,851,000

After looking at that list, there might be a few others more deserving than Ferentz...

Every coach on this list is overpaid. Millions of dollars to coach football? That is ridiculous.

I'm a former football coach myself (high school) and think that it is crazy to pay a coach that much.

I also think pro athletes should have their salaries cut to about 95% or more of what they make. They should at least be required by the league to donate like 10% of their income to charity or something.

^ Do you realize the amount of revenue that college football generates? This isn't high school football.

I would of swore I remember hearing something that there is a clause in Les Miles' contract that lets him get paid 1 dollar more than and coach in the SEC, no matter the salary.

A few things we need to remember about coaching salaries is that less than $1 million of their salary actually comes from the school. The rest comes from other income sources. For instance, Coach Tressel get's most of the $3.5 million in his contract from his TV and radio show, his contract with Kroger, Huntington Banks, and other outside organizations that have contracted endorsement deals with him. All of that is guaranteed and actually written into the contract. So as far as what the school actually shells out, Gordon Gee is paid more by OSU than Coach Tressel.

As far as Ferentz goes, he probably is slightly overpaid for what Iowa has done. Most of the arguments for his salary could also be applied to someone like Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern, so he should also be getting paid more. Basically, by these arguments, any coach who has a team in a poor recruiting area without the history of an Ohio State, USC, or Oklahoma, should get paid the big bucks if they occasionally contend for a conference title and are seen to "do more with less." I would actually argue that Iowa has underperformed in more season that they've overperformed wile Ferentz has been there. The reason he's paid that much is because a few years after being in Iowa he was a hot commodity in the NFL, so the school gave him a big contract to keep him from leaving. This is the same reason people like Charlie Weis and Al Groh got the contracts they did. People in Iowa love this guy though. When I was driving home for Ann Arbor after the OSU/Michigan game I found an Iowa call-in show on the radio (not sure how I found it in NE Ohio) and every caller raved about how great this team was and what an amazing season they had. No one was disappointed that they lost to OSU and didn't win the conference. They were simply excited to have had the season they had. Buckeye fans on the other hand complained about underachieving last year even though the team won the conference outright and won the Rose Bowl. The perspective there is very different than it is in Columbus.

krambman wrote: A few things we need to remember about coaching salaries is that less than $1 million of their salary actually comes from the school. The rest comes from other income sources. For instance, Coach Tressel get's most of the $3.5 million in his contract from his TV and radio show, his contract with Kroger, Huntington Banks, and other outside organizations that have contracted endorsement deals with him. All of that is guaranteed and actually written into the contract. So as far as what the school actually shells out, Gordon Gee is paid more by OSU than Coach Tressel.

As far as Ferentz goes, he probably is slightly overpaid for what Iowa has done. Most of the arguments for his salary could also be applied to someone like Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern, so he should also be getting paid more. Basically, by these arguments, any coach who has a team in a poor recruiting area without the history of an Ohio State, USC, or Oklahoma, should get paid the big bucks if they occasionally contend for a conference title and are seen to "do more with less." I would actually argue that Iowa has underperformed in more season that they've overperformed wile Ferentz has been there. The reason he's paid that much is because a few years after being in Iowa he was a hot commodity in the NFL, so the school gave him a big contract to keep him from leaving. This is the same reason people like Charlie Weis and Al Groh got the contracts they did. People in Iowa love this guy though. When I was driving home for Ann Arbor after the OSU/Michigan game I found an Iowa call-in show on the radio (not sure how I found it in NE Ohio) and every caller raved about how great this team was and what an amazing season they had. No one was disappointed that they lost to OSU and didn't win the conference. They were simply excited to have had the season they had. Buckeye fans on the other hand complained about underachieving last year even though the team won the conference outright and won the Rose Bowl. The perspective there is very different than it is in Columbus.

While i agree with 99% of your post, Pat Fitzgerald has never really came close to winning the conference, nor has he ever even had N'western IN a BCS game, let alone won one.

TheMightyGators;372017 wrote:You are right, it's just your opinion. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't really prove anything. And the point about Tressel being at Indiana was to show you can't take conference championships or bcs appearances as a measuring stick of how good a coach is compared to another coach at a lesser school.

Wasn't trying to prove anything with my opinion, which is why I stated it was my opinion.

And I understand what you were trying to say about coaching at a lesser school and while Iowa is a tier below Ohio State, they are not nearly as bad as Indiana. Iowa can compete in college football with the big boys, Indiana can't. That is why I said it was a bad analogy. You were using on e of the worst all time Big Ten programs as an example of the difference in levels between Iowa and OSU.

There are some years in which Iowa is clearly the better football program than OSU (not often) but it happens from time to time this past decade, the 80's and so on. Indiana has never been better than OSU. So whil Iowa is a lesser program, they are much closer to OSU's level than Indiana.

Brian Kelly will top this list after the 2010 season.

krambman;372164 wrote:As far as Ferentz goes, he probably is slightly overpaid for what Iowa has done. Most of the arguments for his salary could also be applied to someone like Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern, so he should also be getting paid more. Basically, by these arguments, any coach who has a team in a poor recruiting area without the history of an Ohio State, USC, or Oklahoma, should get paid the big bucks if they occasionally contend for a conference title and are seen to "do more with less."

NU is very luck to have Coach Fitz, and I hope he stays there for a long, long time.