se-alum
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May 10, 2010 3:22pm
Why the hell do they let someone play a full season, when the test happened in September??
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
May 10, 2010 3:42pm
and I'm sure Petey knew nothing about it... :huh:
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 10, 2010 3:57pm
He was able to play because he appealed it.
Football coaches don't ask. It's not like OSU and every other college program in the country (all the way down to D3) doesn't have steroid users.
And for those who don't think it's natural, I'm sure it was possible. I gained 60 lbs from my senior year in HS to my sophomore year in college. I was home over the summer working out at the HS, and our athletic trainer is convinced that I was juicing; but I just matured and really worked hard in the weight room.
Football coaches don't ask. It's not like OSU and every other college program in the country (all the way down to D3) doesn't have steroid users.
And for those who don't think it's natural, I'm sure it was possible. I gained 60 lbs from my senior year in HS to my sophomore year in college. I was home over the summer working out at the HS, and our athletic trainer is convinced that I was juicing; but I just matured and really worked hard in the weight room.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
May 10, 2010 5:11pm
for those who think you have to use steroids to gain a freakish amount of muscle read this http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/blog/labels/The%20Colorado%20Experiment.html. scroll down about half way and read Casey Viator and The Colorado Experiment .63 lbs of muscle in 28 days
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 10, 2010 5:39pm
KnightRyder wrote: for those who think you have to use steroids to gain a freakish amount of muscle read this http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/blog/labels/The%20Colorado%20Experiment.html. scroll down about half way and read Casey Viator and The Colorado Experiment .63 lbs of muscle in 28 days
Your link doesn't work. But I've always been told that you should gain 1.5-2 lbs of lean muscle per month when you do it correctly.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 10, 2010 5:42pm
But I don't think that would apply to a freshman in college if he's starting to mature, and lifting weights hardcore for the first time.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
May 10, 2010 5:44pm
Really didn't think they'd bother for a re-vote, but sure enough...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5176949
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5176949
LJ
Posts: 16,351
May 10, 2010 5:46pm
I mean that's the minimum, but at the same time, 165-245 that ripped in that amount of time is not really believable without the help of roids.thedynasty1998 wrote: But I don't think that would apply to a freshman in college if he's starting to mature, and lifting weights hardcore for the first time.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
May 10, 2010 6:38pm
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
May 10, 2010 8:06pm
I don't think you can make a blanket statement about coaches like that..I'm willing to bet that a lot,if not most,coaches know who's juicing--but choose to look the other way.thedynasty1998 wrote: Football coaches don't ask. It's not like OSU and every other college program in the country (all the way down to D3) doesn't have steroid users.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 10, 2010 8:09pm
^^Right on. Roid use can be found in the high school level and all the way up.
I have mixed feelings on the subject. The only think that irks me is when fans get in an uproar when someone from their team is accused, ie when people accused Cushing back on the old site.
I have mixed feelings on the subject. The only think that irks me is when fans get in an uproar when someone from their team is accused, ie when people accused Cushing back on the old site.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 11, 2010 9:05am
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?vball10set wrote:I don't think you can make a blanket statement about coaches like that..I'm willing to bet that a lot,if not most,coaches know who's juicing--but choose to look the other way.thedynasty1998 wrote: Football coaches don't ask. It's not like OSU and every other college program in the country (all the way down to D3) doesn't have steroid users.
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goldengonzo
Posts: 140
May 11, 2010 10:03am
Good for the AP to take a re-vote.
There's no doubt in my mind that Cushing's steroid use enhanced his performance during his rookie season. He should be penalized for CHEATING and I hope the AP steps up and votes accordingly.
I understand WHY people don't crucify football players as much as MLB athletes when it comes to steroids, but that doesn't mean it makes it right. If Cushing goes on and keeps this award, what does that tell the youth and the public about steroids? You can cheat, win awards, and in the end .. nothing really happens.
There's no doubt in my mind that Cushing's steroid use enhanced his performance during his rookie season. He should be penalized for CHEATING and I hope the AP steps up and votes accordingly.
I understand WHY people don't crucify football players as much as MLB athletes when it comes to steroids, but that doesn't mean it makes it right. If Cushing goes on and keeps this award, what does that tell the youth and the public about steroids? You can cheat, win awards, and in the end .. nothing really happens.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 11, 2010 10:15am
He is being suspended for 4 games, that's what happens.goldengonzo wrote: Good for the AP to take a re-vote.
There's no doubt in my mind that Cushing's steroid use enhanced his performance during his rookie season. He should be penalized for CHEATING and I hope the AP steps up and votes accordingly.
I understand WHY people don't crucify football players as much as MLB athletes when it comes to steroids, but that doesn't mean it makes it right. If Cushing goes on and keeps this award, what does that tell the youth and the public about steroids? You can cheat, win awards, and in the end .. nothing really happens.
And I just hate the "youth" arguments that people make regarding these professional athletes.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 11, 2010 10:36am
I completely agree with Dynasty here, the youth argument is stupid. The kids are not going to make a decision about steroids based on whether a particular professional athlete used them, but more likely based on whether their teammates are juicing, the values they learned from their parents, and their coaches.
I'm not sure how well this would work, but I feel that if high school coaches put their values in front of success and kicked anybody off the team who was juicing you might see it less? But then again if a stud high school player was juicing and their coach kicked them off, they'd probably just transfer to another school.
I'm not sure how well this would work, but I feel that if high school coaches put their values in front of success and kicked anybody off the team who was juicing you might see it less? But then again if a stud high school player was juicing and their coach kicked them off, they'd probably just transfer to another school.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 11, 2010 10:45am
Via Shefter:
Adam_Schefter
Here it is: Brian Cushing tested positive for slightly elevated levels of hCG (a non-steroidal substance produced naturally by the body).
Same thing Manny got suspended for. Didn't test positive for steroids.
Adam_Schefter
Here it is: Brian Cushing tested positive for slightly elevated levels of hCG (a non-steroidal substance produced naturally by the body).
Same thing Manny got suspended for. Didn't test positive for steroids.
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goldengonzo
Posts: 140
May 11, 2010 11:11am
Four games is basically a slap on the wrist considering Shawne Merriman was suspended that in 2006 and still made the Pro Bowl as a starter later that year and up for debate as defensive player of the year. Merriman was also rookie of the year in 2005. Some penalty...thedynasty1998 wrote:He is being suspended for 4 games, that's what happens.goldengonzo wrote: Good for the AP to take a re-vote.
There's no doubt in my mind that Cushing's steroid use enhanced his performance during his rookie season. He should be penalized for CHEATING and I hope the AP steps up and votes accordingly.
I understand WHY people don't crucify football players as much as MLB athletes when it comes to steroids, but that doesn't mean it makes it right. If Cushing goes on and keeps this award, what does that tell the youth and the public about steroids? You can cheat, win awards, and in the end .. nothing really happens.
And I just hate the "youth" arguments that people make regarding these professional athletes.
And yeah, the youth are probably more influenced by their peers and pressures of high school football and getting into college.
But what message does it send to the rest of the league that you can get busted with performance enhancing drugs, but awards and Pro Bowl selections are still there for the taking?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 11, 2010 11:42am
It means that if you perform well on the field you get rewarded.goldengonzo wrote: But what message does it send to the rest of the league that you can get busted with performance enhancing drugs, but awards and Pro Bowl selections are still there for the taking?
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goldengonzo
Posts: 140
May 11, 2010 11:44am
So might as well take PED's.....thedynasty1998 wrote:It means that if you perform well on the field you get rewarded.goldengonzo wrote: But what message does it send to the rest of the league that you can get busted with performance enhancing drugs, but awards and Pro Bowl selections are still there for the taking?
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
May 11, 2010 12:04pm
Hopefully, the reports leaking out are accurate and Mr. Cushing's alma mater is going to get hammered with probation and a loss of scholarships (perhaps even a bowl ban) in the next week or so.
Such a slimeball Petey turned out to be after all. Lots of crap sure went on under his "watchful" eye.
But hey, ESPN sure loved him.
Such a slimeball Petey turned out to be after all. Lots of crap sure went on under his "watchful" eye.
But hey, ESPN sure loved him.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
May 11, 2010 12:09pm
is it any different than the crap that went on under the "watchful" eye of jim tressel. how many players were arrested under his watch? 19? 20? what is it buckeye fans and the disdain for any team that gave you a butt whoopin? it happens, and you know what it will happen again. good lawd get over it.Writerbuckeye wrote: Hopefully, the reports leaking out are accurate and Mr. Cushing's alma mater is going to get hammered with probation and a loss of scholarships (perhaps even a bowl ban) in the next week or so.
Such a slimeball Petey turned out to be after all. Lots of crap sure went on under his "watchful" eye.
But hey, ESPN sure loved him.
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goldengonzo
Posts: 140
May 11, 2010 12:10pm
I'd bet my last dollar that Carroll ends up as an analyst on ESPN sometime in the next 10 years.Writerbuckeye wrote: But hey, ESPN sure loved him.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 11, 2010 12:31pm
Sure, if you are fine with a 4 game suspension.goldengonzo wrote:So might as well take PED's.....thedynasty1998 wrote:It means that if you perform well on the field you get rewarded.goldengonzo wrote: But what message does it send to the rest of the league that you can get busted with performance enhancing drugs, but awards and Pro Bowl selections are still there for the taking?
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goldengonzo
Posts: 140
May 11, 2010 12:35pm
So what exactly are you proposing? Do you think the suspensions should be longer? Does it bother you if players use PEDs?thedynasty1998 wrote:Sure, if you are fine with a 4 game suspension.goldengonzo wrote:So might as well take PED's.....thedynasty1998 wrote:It means that if you perform well on the field you get rewarded.goldengonzo wrote: But what message does it send to the rest of the league that you can get busted with performance enhancing drugs, but awards and Pro Bowl selections are still there for the taking?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 11, 2010 1:16pm
I'm fine with the system in place. If a player wants to take PED's and risk a 4 game suspension to improve their play, make their team better and potentialy earn more money, I'm fine with it.goldengonzo wrote: So what exactly are you proposing? Do you think the suspensions should be longer? Does it bother you if players use PEDs?
They know the result of a failed drug test, and if they feel the risk outweighs the reward, then so be it.
Is it an unfair advantage? Yea, maybe. But like I said, they are willing to take the risk knowing what the potential punishment is. They really are not affecting anyone else other than their own personal bodies in hopes that they improve their play.