lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: Couldnt the same be said for Lebron?

Lebron is playing at a time where he might not even be the most athletic guy on his team (a bunch of people think it could be Moon, Lebron is just a lot stronger, and obviously a LOT better). There are athletes in the league who are similar to Lebron in athleticism, but the same cannot be said for Brown. Lebron, athletically, is not really ahead of his time compared to how much so Brown was.


A similar comparison to Jim Brown would be Oscar Roberson in the time that he played in the NBA.

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give some names that are similar to lebron in athleticism

Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

j_crazy wrote:

Red_Skin_Pride wrote: And before anyone says anything, i put this on this forum and not the pro sports forum because this forum gets way more discussion.

that still doesn't make this the right forum for it.

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: Couldnt the same be said for Lebron?

Lebron is playing at a time where he might not even be the most athletic guy on his team (a bunch of people think it could be Moon, Lebron is just a lot stronger, and obviously a LOT better). There are athletes in the league who are similar to Lebron in athleticism, but the same cannot be said for Brown. Lebron, athletically, is not really ahead of his time compared to how much so Brown was.


A similar comparison to Jim Brown would be Oscar Roberson in the time that he played in the NBA.

[size=xx-large]LOL[/size]


give some names that are similar to lebron in athleticism

Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

He is stronger then all those guys cept maybe D12, way faster, and has more agility. There is no one close to lebrons athleticism. He has it all size, speed, power, agility.

Con_Alma wrote:

slcoach wrote: ...
1000 yard seasons do nothing for me. 1000 yards in a season is 62.5 yards a game. Hardly what I would consider a huge milestone. Smith had only one season with a yard per carry better than 4.7. Barry did it 6 times in 10 seasons. Smith had 1 in 15 seasons.

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Some good points regarding Sanders.

Jim Brown averaged greater than 5 yards per carry for his entire career.

lhslep134 wrote:

slcoach wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

slcoach wrote: Couldn't agree more with Emmitt Smith. There were, IMO, 5-10 backs in that era that would have put up better numbers with those Cowboy team than Smith.

I couldn't disagree more. 11 straight 1000 yard seasons is awesome, I don't care what team you played for. The Cowboys didn't have great teams all 11 of those years.

1000 yard seasons do nothing for me. 1000 yards in a season is 62.5 yards a game. Hardly what I would consider a huge milestone. Smith had only one season with a yard per carry better than 4.7. Barry did it 6 times in 10 seasons. Smith had 1 in 15 seasons.

Emmitt was at best the 3rd best back in his era. (Thomas and Sanders). Throw in Bettis (Who's from Detroit by the way) and Faulk and I just don't think Smith was near the player he is thought to have been.

And how many of those players are the leading rusher at all time? At some point you've got to consider the fact that he played for so long, as durability to me is a major factor in a running back. I don't think Smith is the GOAT, I just disagree that he's overrated. I personally think Barry Sanders is the best running back to put on pads, and I think he easily could have been the leading rusher of all time, but he put his life first, as did Brown.

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: Couldnt the same be said for Lebron?

Lebron is playing at a time where he might not even be the most athletic guy on his team (a bunch of people think it could be Moon, Lebron is just a lot stronger, and obviously a LOT better). There are athletes in the league who are similar to Lebron in athleticism, but the same cannot be said for Brown. Lebron, athletically, is not really ahead of his time compared to how much so Brown was.


A similar comparison to Jim Brown would be Oscar Roberson in the time that he played in the NBA.

[size=xx-large]LOL[/size]


give some names that are similar to lebron in athleticism

Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

He is stronger then all those guys cept maybe D12, way faster, and has more agility. There is no one close to lebrons athleticism. He has it all size, speed, power, agility.

You didn't ask who was more athletic, you asked who was similar. If you re-read my edited post, I said obviously there's no one quite like Lebron.

And I answered you with people are ARE similar.

http://www.countdown2lebron.com/home/node/50

Obviously out of 190 players the majority picked Lebron, but the fact that other players were even named means they're similar.

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: Couldnt the same be said for Lebron?

Lebron is playing at a time where he might not even be the most athletic guy on his team (a bunch of people think it could be Moon, Lebron is just a lot stronger, and obviously a LOT better). There are athletes in the league who are similar to Lebron in athleticism, but the same cannot be said for Brown. Lebron, athletically, is not really ahead of his time compared to how much so Brown was.


A similar comparison to Jim Brown would be Oscar Roberson in the time that he played in the NBA.

[size=xx-large]LOL[/size]


give some names that are similar to lebron in athleticism

Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

He is stronger then all those guys cept maybe D12, way faster, and has more agility. There is no one close to lebrons athleticism. He has it all size, speed, power, agility.

You didn't ask who was more athletic, you asked who was similar. If you re-read my edited post, I said obviously there's no one quite like Lebron.

And I answered you with people are ARE similar.

How are they similar? All those guys play center or pf, Lebron is a sf. Lebron is so much faster then those guys it isnt funny.

krambman wrote:

slcoach wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

slcoach wrote: Couldn't agree more with Emmitt Smith. There were, IMO, 5-10 backs in that era that would have put up better numbers with those Cowboy team than Smith.

I couldn't disagree more. 11 straight 1000 yard seasons is awesome, I don't care what team you played for. The Cowboys didn't have great teams all 11 of those years.

1000 yard seasons do nothing for me. 1000 yards in a season is 62.5 yards a game. Hardly what I would consider a huge milestone. Smith had only one season with a yard per carry better than 4.7. Barry did it 6 times in 10 seasons. Smith had 1 in 15 seasons.

Emmitt was at best the 3rd best back in his era. (Thomas and Sanders). Throw in Bettis (Who's from Detroit by the way) and Faulk and I just don't think Smith was near the player he is thought to have been.

First off, 11 straight 1000 yard seasons is an NFL record. When you consider the fact that the average lifespan of NFL players is less than five years and that most running backs don't even last 3 full seasons in the NFL, that's impressive. Also, he is the all-time leading rusher in NFL. I don't care if you had the greatest line of all time or a bunch of 4th graders blocking for you, if you're the all-time leading rusher, it's hard to be overrated.

I would agree that other backs had better individual years or maybe a few years that were better than any individual season of run for Smith, but when you look at his career, there are only a few who can compare. Also, if you look at career yard per carry, Emmitt average 4.2ypg, which is pretty much on par with most of the other greats. Really only Barry Sanders and Jim Brown had a substantially better average as far as the other top running backs all-time are concerned. His average is about middle-of-the-road for the top 20 leading rushers in NFL history (Bettis btw, only averaged 3.9ypc). Also, Emmitt Had 164 touchdowns in his career which is a TON more than anyone else on the list.

Also, outside of Dallas, I don't think that there are many who believe him to be the greatest of all time. Most would likely have him somewhere in the 4-6 range and that seems about right to me.

Brett Favre on the other hand, well that's a different story. One Super Bowl win, tops in the league in INT's almost every year, he's lost his teams almost as many games as he's won it seems, and it's like a cluster **** anytime analysts talk about him to see who can heap on the most praise. I'll never understand it.

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: Couldnt the same be said for Lebron?

Lebron is playing at a time where he might not even be the most athletic guy on his team (a bunch of people think it could be Moon, Lebron is just a lot stronger, and obviously a LOT better). There are athletes in the league who are similar to Lebron in athleticism, but the same cannot be said for Brown. Lebron, athletically, is not really ahead of his time compared to how much so Brown was.


A similar comparison to Jim Brown would be Oscar Roberson in the time that he played in the NBA.

[size=xx-large]LOL[/size]


give some names that are similar to lebron in athleticism

Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

He is stronger then all those guys cept maybe D12, way faster, and has more agility. There is no one close to lebrons athleticism. He has it all size, speed, power, agility.

You didn't ask who was more athletic, you asked who was similar. If you re-read my edited post, I said obviously there's no one quite like Lebron.

And I answered you with people are ARE similar.

How are they similar? All those guys play center or pf, Lebron is a sf. Lebron is so much faster then those guys it isnt funny.

And Ty Lawson is faster than Lebron. So what's your point? It's not just about speed. Like I said after I posted the link, the fact that other players were even mentioned means that they deserve to at least be considered similarly, if you're ignorant to that concept then it's unfortunate.

SQ_Crazies wrote: LeBron is a little ahead of his time, but it's not like Jim Browns stats paint him as a clear #1 either. And for the record, I think LeBron is the best player that ever played--but I have no idea if he'll go down as having the best legacy. And the legacy is what people remember, but I think this 2010 LeBron is the best player that has ever played the game. But I'll agree, you COULD say the same about LeBron but not nearly to the extent of Jim Brown.

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote: Couldnt the same be said for Lebron?

Lebron is playing at a time where he might not even be the most athletic guy on his team (a bunch of people think it could be Moon, Lebron is just a lot stronger, and obviously a LOT better). There are athletes in the league who are similar to Lebron in athleticism, but the same cannot be said for Brown. Lebron, athletically, is not really ahead of his time compared to how much so Brown was.


A similar comparison to Jim Brown would be Oscar Roberson in the time that he played in the NBA.

[size=xx-large]LOL[/size]


give some names that are similar to lebron in athleticism

Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire

He is stronger then all those guys cept maybe D12, way faster, and has more agility. There is no one close to lebrons athleticism. He has it all size, speed, power, agility.

You didn't ask who was more athletic, you asked who was similar. If you re-read my edited post, I said obviously there's no one quite like Lebron.

And I answered you with people are ARE similar.

How are they similar? All those guys play center or pf, Lebron is a sf. Lebron is so much faster then those guys it isnt funny.

And Ty Lawson is faster than Lebron. So what's your point? It's not just about speed. Like I said after I posted the link, the fact that other players were even mentioned means that they deserve to at least be considered similarly, if you're ignorant to that concept then it's unfortunate.

My point is there is no one like Lebron, he is ahead of his time. There has never been a athlete in the nba with that much size, power, speed, agility, jumping ability. Now you will find guys who have more then one trait like d12 for instance he is strong and can jump out of the building but he doesn't come close to lebron in athleticism.

lhslep134 wrote:

2quik4u wrote:
My point is there is no one like Lebron, he is ahead of his time. There has never been a athlete in the nba with that much size, power, speed, agility, jumping ability. Now you will find guys who have more then one trait like d12 for instance he is strong and can jump out of the building but he doesn't come close to lebron.

I see what you're saying, I honestly do, but the point I'm trying to make is that the gap between Lebron and everyone else is a LOT smaller than the gap between Jim Brown and everyone else. I suppose I should have worded it that way.

lhslep134 wrote: My bad haha I was too lazy to delete them.

sleeper wrote: Lebron is the best player to have ever played, period.

KnightXC1 wrote: We had the Barry/Emmitt discussion about a week ago and all but about 3 people said Barry was better than Emmitt. Smith gets a lot of credit but he isn't a top 5 back in my opinion. His numbers outside of total TD's are right with or below Sanders in every category. Does anyone really think he is the all time leading rusher playing for the Tampa Bay Bucs during the 90's? He benefited greatly from the talent around him in Dallas and was not near as dynamic or as good for that matter as Sanders, Brown, Peyton, and a few others.

Good call on Sergio Garcia whomever mentioned him.

lhslep134 wrote:

KnightXC1 wrote:
Good call on Sergio Garcia whomever mentioned him.

I don't think Sergio Garcia is overrated at all. I'm pretty sure he's rated as a guy who's a damn good ball striker but can't make clutch putts or clutch shots. I don't know of anyone who thinks anything better than that of him, so I think he's rated just about right.

Scarlet_Buckeye wrote: Brett Favre

bigkahuna wrote: Would anyone else agree that we are talking about players being overhyped as opposed to overrated?

I think there is a difference between the 2.

NNN wrote:

bigkahuna wrote: Would anyone else agree that we are talking about players being overhyped as opposed to overrated?

I think there is a difference between the 2.

They tend to go together, although that's not always the case.

I'm no fan of Derek Jeter, for example, and am positive that if he were in Kansas City, he wouldn't be talked about in the awed hushed tones that he is. But he'll end up being a deserving HOFer. We can look to Craig Biggio as a great example of a horribly underrated player, mostly because he was under the radar his entire career.

I'll throw another name out there in the truly overrated and overhyped category: Tom Brady. His best season is an obvious fluke, and that in itself was a creation of keeping the starting offensive players in until the end of the game. Remember him throwing the ball with a 30+ point lead and about five minutes to go?

SQ_Crazies wrote: Please stop with the replies that include every damn post lol.

BR1986FB wrote: Terry Bradshaw

His interception to TD ratio was 1:1 and his completion % was 51%.

He was a winner, but his stats didn't show it.

Ghmothwdwhso wrote: Stats are for losers and liars.

THE4RINGZ wrote: Not sure about all time, but in the Cleveland market they still worship Kosar. What the fuck is up with that?

gibby08 wrote: Lebron James

gibby08 wrote: May very well be

Dont't get me wrong...Lebron is a good player...but some of you make him out to be GOD. he's good.just not as great as some of you proclaim

dwccrew;337902 wrote:He's still top 2 in the NBA, so I really don't see him being overrated. How can you be overrated when you are one of the best (currently) in your sport?

Best of all-time, that is yet to be seen, but LJ is not overrated as far as active players.

lhslep134;333819 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I love Jim, and I really wish I could have seen him play, but I don't think he's the GOAT. I think that title is reserved for Emmit or Barry.

Skyhook79;374723 wrote:He is overrated because he has King in front of his name and hasn't won anything to be considered the King but he isn't the most overrated player ever. I would say Tony Mandrich or Todd Marinovich