sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 27, 2010 7:02pm
Exactly, that was just scoring. If you look at his other numbers Lebron rapes, and you can take that to the bank.Gblock wrote:this...Big Red Monster wrote: it was Jordan, is Jordan and always will be Jordan.
look at jordans numbers for about 7-8 years
off the top of my head it was like 32....37....33...33...31....30.....32....etc....and that was just scoring...jordan is the best ever
lebron is sick tho
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 27, 2010 10:54pm
ummm no he doesnt. lebron only averages about 1 more rebound and 1 more assist than jordan. other than that, either they are the same or jordan stats are better. better find a new bank.sleeper wrote:Exactly, that was just scoring. If you look at his other numbers Lebron rapes, and you can take that to the bank.Gblock wrote:this...Big Red Monster wrote: it was Jordan, is Jordan and always will be Jordan.
look at jordans numbers for about 7-8 years
off the top of my head it was like 32....37....33...33...31....30.....32....etc....and that was just scoring...jordan is the best ever
lebron is sick tho
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 27, 2010 10:55pm
Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Apr 27, 2010 11:00pm
wrong look at the stats i postedsleeper wrote: Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
gibby08
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Apr 27, 2010 11:01pm
Michael Jordan and it won't even be close
Glory Days
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Apr 27, 2010 11:03pm
I did, Jordan is 30.1. Lebron is 27.8 in PPGsleeper wrote: Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
Rebounds, Jordan is 6.2, Lebron is 7.1
Assist is Jordan 5.3, Lebron 7.
Jordan also has more steals, less turnovers, better FG and FT percentages. and they are basically the same for 3 pointers and blocks. your bank needs a bailout.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 27, 2010 11:05pm
Michael Jordan as alot in common with Bret Hart...
He is the best there is,was,and ever will be
He is the best there is,was,and ever will be
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:05pm
I have no problem with anyone thinking LeBron won't pass Jordan, but you're just a total fucking moron if you don't it will even be close knowing what we know now.gibby08 wrote: Michael Jordan and it won't even be close
LMFAO!Glory Days wrote: your bank needs a bailout.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 27, 2010 11:06pm
Jordan 41.6
Lebron 41.9
Per your stats.
Owned and ruined.
Lebron 41.9
Per your stats.
Owned and ruined.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 27, 2010 11:08pm
i think all your cash money is blocking your view of your computer screen.sleeper wrote: Jordan 41.6
Lebron 41.9
Per your stats.
Owned and ruined.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:08pm
Welcome to being a victim of people with bad reading comprehension sleeper.sleeper wrote: Jordan 41.6
Lebron 41.9
Per your stats.
Owned and ruined.
He certainly did just own you guys.
But I'm still loling at the bank bailout comment.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 27, 2010 11:10pm
where did that stat even come from?SQ_Crazies wrote:Welcome to being a victim of people with bad reading comprehension sleeper.sleeper wrote: Jordan 41.6
Lebron 41.9
Per your stats.
Owned and ruined.
He certainly did just own you guys.
But I'm still loling at the bank bailout comment.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:11pm
Those stats are added in a way to compare players often. In fact, I saw it done on TV today.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 27, 2010 11:14pm
LOL RUINED.Glory Days wrote:I did, Jordan is 30.1. Lebron is 27.8 in PPGsleeper wrote: Add up Lebrons Career PPG, RPG, APG and compare it to Jordan's, he's got him beat and you can take that to the bank.
Rebounds, Jordan is 6.2, Lebron is 7.1
Assist is Jordan 5.3, Lebron 7.
Jordan also has more steals, less turnovers, better FG and FT percentages. and they are basically the same for 3 pointers and blocks. your bank needs a bailout.
30.1 + 6.2 + 5.3 = 41.6
27.8 + 7.1 + 7.0 = 41.9
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cview
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Apr 27, 2010 11:14pm
Anyone that says it isn't close, no matter which player you favor, is dumb. There are a handful of guys that could lay claim to being the best ever IMO. When you consider how many people have played in the NBA, splitting hairs over the elitist(I'm making shit up) of the elite is extremely difficult and for the most part pointless. It is always going to be more of an opinion or preference in which rings, PPG, RPG, and all of that stuff only tells part but never all of the story and cannot be used as the be all end all in regards to whether player A is better than player B or B is better than C or whatever.
Glory Days
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Apr 27, 2010 11:17pm
James- 41.2
Jordan- 42.13
there, i made up my own stat to show who is better. PPG, APG, RPG, BPG, SPG minus TO/pg.
Jordan- 42.13
there, i made up my own stat to show who is better. PPG, APG, RPG, BPG, SPG minus TO/pg.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:20pm
No, see, what you did was make something up to support your argument. What sleeper did was use a formula that has been used to compare players by objective people--sure someone made it up at some point, but people have given that formula some credibility over the years.Glory Days wrote: James- 41.2
Jordan- 42.13
there, i made up my own stat to show who is better. PPG, APG, RPG, BPG, SPG minus TO/pg.
Glory Days
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Apr 27, 2010 11:22pm
haha its the same thing. and shouldnt defensive stats be added into the equation?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 27, 2010 11:24pm
A chicago beat writer, who covered the Bulls during the entire Jordan era, said LeBron will go down as the greatest player ever if he wins a couple of titles.. Said himself that he doesn't need the 6 titles to be claimed that, as MJ doesn't have the most titles either.
I agree.
I agree.
Yes, LeBron will be NBA's greatest ever
By Mike Imrem | Daily Herald Columnist
Contact writer
Bulls fans can say they saw the greatest player ever to play the game of basketball.
Sorry, no, not Michael Jordan. Not in 10 years or so. Not by the time LeBron James completes his career with the Cavaliers, some other NBA team or dare we say perhaps even the Bulls.
There, I said it, and it's a relief to do so: King James eventually will succeed His Royal Airness as the best basketball player ever.
If I didn't think that before, I did after watching the Cavaliers trounce the Bulls 121-98 in Game 4 of their Eastern Conference playoff series.
Bulls fans didn't know whether to laugh or cry, cheer or boo. They wound up gasping, like when James hit a jump shot from just inside midcourt to end the third quarter.
And like when James hit 3 straight 3-pointers during less than two minutes of the fourth quarter. And like when he burst down the lane to slam down a violent dunk in the first quarter.
Overall James scored 37 points, grabbed 12 rebounds and distributed 11 assists.
"LeBron had a terrific game with his triple-double," Cavs coach Mike Brown said.
Was it routinely terrific or especially terrific?
"It was a spectacular performance," Brown responded, "but this is what this man is capable of doing."
Listen, I know how great Jordan was. I covered his career from draft day through two retirements from the Bulls.
When Jordan finally was finished for good, to me it was unimaginable that anyone's career would surpass his. I concluded recently that Kobe Bryant would approach Jordan but fall short of him.
Bryant's problem - if you can call it that - is that he tried to be better than Jordan by being Jordan. James is an entirely different animal, competing for greatest ever with an entirely different body and somewhat different game.
A good guess is that James won't match Jordan's feat of six NBA titles in the span of the six full seasons he played. Nor will he be as sensational or as beloved.
Those things are out of James' control. But I'm thinking James would win a few titles of his own if surrounded by Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman.
While still chasing his first title James also is doing what the best of the best do: He's chasing the ghosts of the greatest players to play his game.
Remember, James is doing, and will continue to do, what he's doing at 6-feet-8, 265 pounds.
James uses that size to do what Magic Johnson used to do, what Larry Bird used to do and, yes, what Michael Jordan used to do.
Whenever James wants to, he does what point guards do, what shooting guards do, what small forwards do, what point forwards do, what power forwards do, and even what 7-foot centers do.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that James is going to obliterate the memory of Jordan.
I'm just saying that before LeBron James is done he'll be considered a slightly better player than Michael Jordan was.
Sunday's crowd of 23,058 in the United Center will be able to say they saw him on the way to getting there.
2quik4u
Posts: 4,388
Apr 27, 2010 11:26pm
go by my stats since its both their first 7 years2quik4u wrote:makes more sense to compare both through their first 7 yearsGlory Days wrote: FG%---3pt%---FT%---REB--AST--STL--BLK--TO--PTS
49.7% 32.7% 83.5% 6.2 5.3 2.4 .83 2.7 30.1--Jordan
47.5% 32.9% 74.2%- 7.1 7.0 1.7 .9 3.3 27.8--James
Jordan first 7 years
FG% 3pt% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS
51 23.1 84.7 5.95 5.74 2.7 1 3.1 31.5
Lebron first 7 years
FG% 3pt% FT% REB AST STL BLK TO PTS
47.5 32.9 74.2 7.0 7.1 1.7 .9 3.3 27.8
Awards
Jordan
1984-85 NBA Rookie of the Year
1987-88 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
1987-88 NBA MVP
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1984-85 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1988-89 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1988-89 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (1st)
Lebron
2003-04 NBA Rookie of the Year
2005-06 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2007-08 NBA All-Star Game MVP
2008-09 NBA MVP
2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
Jordan Player Efficiency Rating
1984-85 NBA 25.8 (2)
1986-87 NBA 29.8 (1)
1987-88 NBA 31.7 (1)
1988-89 NBA 31.1 (1)
1989-90 NBA 31.2 (1)
1990-91 NBA 31.6 (1)
Lebron Player Efficiency Rating
2004-05 NBA 25.7 (6)
2005-06 NBA 28.1 (2)
2006-07 NBA 24.5 (4)
2007-08 NBA 29.1 (1)
2008-09 NBA 31.7 (1)
2009-10 NBA 31.1 (1)
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:26pm
Yeah...a guy that covered Jordan's entire career. I'll take his word, it's definitely at least going to be close.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 27, 2010 11:29pm
And lol @ LeBron finishing All NBA 2nd team in 2006-2007.. What a joke.
Glory Days
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Apr 27, 2010 11:35pm
i definitely agree it is going to be close. which is why Jordan's impact on the game will put him over the top in my opinion. James is great but i dont think he is making the game bigger or better. and no, i am not a sports writer, so my opinion isnt worth anything.SQ_Crazies wrote: Yeah...a guy that covered Jordan's entire career. I'll take his word, it's definitely at least going to be close.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:38pm
Yeah, well that isn't his fault. The game exploded in a big way because of Jordan but technology has made the game bigger than ever before anything. LeBron could definitely have a bigger impact from a global standpoint than Jordan because more people are seeing him than ever saw Jordan.
Glory Days
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Apr 27, 2010 11:46pm
oh yeah i know. had lebron been born first, we might be having the opposite discussion.