SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 7:16pm
Last 4 years
Howard
HR: 198
RBI: 572
AVG: .278
SLG: .589
7th season, 30 years old
Career postseason (3 times):
7 HR, 27 RBI, .271 AVG, .542 SLG
Pujols
HR: 165
RBI: 491
AVG: .336
SLG: .638
10th season, 30 years old
Career postseason (6 times):
13 HR, 36 RBI, .322 AVG, .578 SLG
Both good defensively. That isn't close?
Like I said, I'd take Pujols too, but you can't go wrong with either. And it isn't like the Phillies haven't won with Howard.
Howard
HR: 198
RBI: 572
AVG: .278
SLG: .589
7th season, 30 years old
Career postseason (3 times):
7 HR, 27 RBI, .271 AVG, .542 SLG
Pujols
HR: 165
RBI: 491
AVG: .336
SLG: .638
10th season, 30 years old
Career postseason (6 times):
13 HR, 36 RBI, .322 AVG, .578 SLG
Both good defensively. That isn't close?
Like I said, I'd take Pujols too, but you can't go wrong with either. And it isn't like the Phillies haven't won with Howard.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 7:17pm
Funny you should say that because I didn't see your argument anywhere on this thread.SportsAndLady wrote:Nice argumentSQ_Crazies wrote: No, Pujols is the better player, but Howard has come into his own and it is fairly close. Much closer than most realize.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 27, 2010 7:27pm
SQ, give me OPS, OPB, Ks, SBs, VORP, H, and TB
I have no clue what they look like, but I can only imagine that Albert blows Howard out of the water in Ks, OBP and OPS
I also want to point out that until last half of the year(Holliday), Pujols had nobody while Howard has Utley and Rollins, and to a lesser extent Victorino.
I have no clue what they look like, but I can only imagine that Albert blows Howard out of the water in Ks, OBP and OPS
I also want to point out that until last half of the year(Holliday), Pujols had nobody while Howard has Utley and Rollins, and to a lesser extent Victorino.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 7:29pm
I mean, you can look them up yourself. Like I've said 3 or 4 times now, I'd take Pujols. But give Howard the credit he deserves--he doesn't get enough because people see Albert's face all over the TV.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 27, 2010 7:32pm
Oh he is great, I just happen to think that he is no where near Pujols. I would look them up but I am about to go eat dinner. Maybe I will tonight.SQ_Crazies wrote: I mean, you can look them up yourself. Like I've said 3 or 4 times now, I'd take Pujols. But give Howard the credit he deserves--he doesn't get enough because people see Albert's face all over the TV.
Id say he is the 4th best 1B in the game.
1. Pujols
2. Miggy
3. Teixiera
4. Howard (just before Prince)
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 7:33pm
I'm a Yankee fan and I'd take Howard over Tex all day.
KnightXC1
Posts: 1,031
Apr 27, 2010 7:37pm
Pujols for sure simply because of the much higher average, fewer K's, higher OBP, and is better defensively. Howard is good but Pujols is just better at this point.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 27, 2010 7:38pm
It just a personal preference for the last 3 players.SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm a Yankee fan and I'd take Howard over Tex all day.
I like the average and switch hitting ability Tex brings. If we are talking about the actual question (for the next 5 years) Id take Prince because of his youth over both Howard and Tex.
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Apr 27, 2010 11:22pm
Hmm, now I'll be the first one to say that Pujols is the best player in the league right now, but even if he keeps up his current production for another 6-7 years, he wouldn't crack the top 25.devil1197 wrote: Pujols is not only a beast at the plate but he is very good defensively too.
Pujols may go down as the best player ever if he keeps up his production another title.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 27, 2010 11:31pm
Hmm..not sure about that.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 27, 2010 11:33pm
WHAAAAA????Mooney44Cards wrote:Hmm, now I'll be the first one to say that Pujols is the best player in the league right now, but even if he keeps up his current production for another 6-7 years, he wouldn't crack the top 25.devil1197 wrote: Pujols is not only a beast at the plate but he is very good defensively too.
Pujols may go down as the best player ever if he keeps up his production another title.
Dude is already in the top 25.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Apr 27, 2010 11:41pm
I agree with Bobby Cox, that Pujols is worth twice as much as Howard. If Howard is worth $25 mil a year, then Albert is worth $50 mil!
SQ_Crazies
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Apr 27, 2010 11:44pm
No player is worth 50 million a year.
Only way you'd be worth 50 million a year would be if you were an everyday player, gold glover, put up the best power numbers ever and hit over .500.
Only way you'd be worth 50 million a year would be if you were an everyday player, gold glover, put up the best power numbers ever and hit over .500.
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Apr 27, 2010 11:48pm
Pujols.
check this out. This is a pretty exclusive posse.
The top ten Major League Baseball players in lifetime OPS, with at least 3,000 plate appearances through 2009
Babe Ruth, 1.1638
Ted Williams, 1.1155
Lou Gehrig, 1.0798
Albert Pujols, 1.0547
Barry Bonds, 1.0512
Jimmie Foxx, 1.0376
Hank Greenberg, 1.0169
Rogers Hornsby, 1.0103
Manny Ramírez, 1.0019
Todd Helton, 0.9938
(how about some love for Manny, BTW).
check this out. This is a pretty exclusive posse.
The top ten Major League Baseball players in lifetime OPS, with at least 3,000 plate appearances through 2009
Babe Ruth, 1.1638
Ted Williams, 1.1155
Lou Gehrig, 1.0798
Albert Pujols, 1.0547
Barry Bonds, 1.0512
Jimmie Foxx, 1.0376
Hank Greenberg, 1.0169
Rogers Hornsby, 1.0103
Manny Ramírez, 1.0019
Todd Helton, 0.9938
^^^see...every now and then; some completely flaky opinion comes across the interwebs and makes us all feel like geniuses.Mooney44Cards wrote: ....Hmm, now I'll be the first one to say that Pujols is the best player in the league right now, but even if he keeps up his current production for another 6-7 years, he wouldn't crack the top 25.
(how about some love for Manny, BTW).
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Apr 27, 2010 11:50pm
Ahhem.....in no particular order, I'll name 25 guys he won't touch.Laley23 wrote:WHAAAAA????Mooney44Cards wrote:Hmm, now I'll be the first one to say that Pujols is the best player in the league right now, but even if he keeps up his current production for another 6-7 years, he wouldn't crack the top 25.devil1197 wrote: Pujols is not only a beast at the plate but he is very good defensively too.
Pujols may go down as the best player ever if he keeps up his production another title.
Dude is already in the top 25.
Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb
Christy Matthewson
Walter Johnson
Willy Mayes
Cy Young
Honus Wagner
Rogers Hornsby
Stan Musial
Joe DiMaggio
Mickey Mantle
Ted Williams
Lou Gherig
Warren Spawn
Jimmie Foxx
Josh Gibson
Bob Feller
Frank Robinson
Bob Gibson
Grover Cleveland Alexander
Roberto Clemente
Tris Speaker
Ernie Banks
Johnny Bench
Sandy Koufax
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Apr 28, 2010 12:03am
You've gotta be kidding me with that list.
That list tells me all I need to know, you're an old schooler that hasn't even paid enough attention to Pujols to form that opinion.
That list tells me all I need to know, you're an old schooler that hasn't even paid enough attention to Pujols to form that opinion.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 28, 2010 12:04am
Ok, well I didnt think we were gonna include pitchers, because frankly that is just impossible to do.
But, how wont he touch those guys???
H--1742
R--1084
2B--392
HR--373
RBI--1130
BB--821
Ks--584
AVG--.334
OBP--.424
SLG--.628
OPS--1.055
TB--3281
AS in every year but his second (dont remember why he didnt make it that year, as he was #2 in MVP)
MVP voting top 10 every year, top 4 every year but 2007, runner up 3 times and won the award 3 times.
Just picked one guy randomly off your list (Lou Gehrig) and he is well on his way to beating Lou in the above categories. Not to mention Albert is already beat Lou in all the MVP voting.
But, how wont he touch those guys???
H--1742
R--1084
2B--392
HR--373
RBI--1130
BB--821
Ks--584
AVG--.334
OBP--.424
SLG--.628
OPS--1.055
TB--3281
AS in every year but his second (dont remember why he didnt make it that year, as he was #2 in MVP)
MVP voting top 10 every year, top 4 every year but 2007, runner up 3 times and won the award 3 times.
Just picked one guy randomly off your list (Lou Gehrig) and he is well on his way to beating Lou in the above categories. Not to mention Albert is already beat Lou in all the MVP voting.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Apr 28, 2010 12:04am
^ LOL
Re: list
Re: list
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 28, 2010 12:05am
yeah, I didnt look at all their stats, but Albert is gonna smoke a few of the guys he listed in there.dat dude wrote: ^ LOL
Re: list
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Sonofanump
Apr 28, 2010 12:11am
What about clint?BR1986FB wrote:Sorry...thought it said "Ron" Howard.LTrain23 wrote: lol, who picked Ryan Howard?
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Apr 28, 2010 12:11am
Mooney44Cards wrote:Ahhem.....in no particular order, I'll name 25 guys he won't touch.Laley23 wrote:WHAAAAA????Mooney44Cards wrote:Hmm, now I'll be the first one to say that Pujols is the best player in the league right now, but even if he keeps up his current production for another 6-7 years, he wouldn't crack the top 25.devil1197 wrote: Pujols is not only a beast at the plate but he is very good defensively too.
Pujols may go down as the best player ever if he keeps up his production another title.
Dude is already in the top 25.
Babe Ruth
Ty Cobb
Christy Matthewson
Walter Johnson
Willy Mayes
Cy Young
Honus Wagner
Rogers Hornsby
Stan Musial
Joe DiMaggio
Mickey Mantle
Ted Williams
Lou Gherig
Warren Spawn
Jimmie Foxx
Josh Gibson
Bob Feller
Frank Robinson
Bob Gibson
Grover Cleveland Alexander
Roberto Clemente
Tris Speaker
Ernie Banks
Johnny Bench
Sandy Koufax
pitchers???
pitchers???
what in the world does this discussion have to do with pitching?
killdeer
Posts: 1,538
Apr 28, 2010 12:12am
...and, who the heck is "Willy Mayes"???
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Apr 28, 2010 12:38am
Good job, you picked the guy who had to retire before his time due to a deadly illness and died at the age of 37. His last year and a half of his career he played through the symptoms of his disease which brought his numbers down.Laley23 wrote: Ok, well I didnt think we were gonna include pitchers, because frankly that is just impossible to do.
But, how wont he touch those guys???
H--1742
R--1084
2B--392
HR--373
RBI--1130
BB--821
Ks--584
AVG--.334
OBP--.424
SLG--.628
OPS--1.055
TB--3281
AS in every year but his second (dont remember why he didnt make it that year, as he was #2 in MVP)
MVP voting top 10 every year, top 4 every year but 2007, runner up 3 times and won the award 3 times.
Just picked one guy randomly off your list (Lou Gehrig) and he is well on his way to beating Lou in the above categories. Not to mention Albert is already beat Lou in all the MVP voting.
My apologies to everyone for not just picking the current best player in baseball and crowning him the best of all time. I know a tad more about baseball than that to have that sort of myopic opinion. But please, ridicule me for being "old school", if that means I know what I'm talking about and you guys don't.
fiction
Posts: 347
Apr 28, 2010 12:41am
c'mon man. albert is historically great.Mooney44Cards wrote:Good job, you picked the guy who had to retire before his time due to a deadly illness and died at the age of 37. His last year and a half of his career he played through the symptoms of his disease which brought his numbers down.Laley23 wrote: Ok, well I didnt think we were gonna include pitchers, because frankly that is just impossible to do.
But, how wont he touch those guys???
H--1742
R--1084
2B--392
HR--373
RBI--1130
BB--821
Ks--584
AVG--.334
OBP--.424
SLG--.628
OPS--1.055
TB--3281
AS in every year but his second (dont remember why he didnt make it that year, as he was #2 in MVP)
MVP voting top 10 every year, top 4 every year but 2007, runner up 3 times and won the award 3 times.
Just picked one guy randomly off your list (Lou Gehrig) and he is well on his way to beating Lou in the above categories. Not to mention Albert is already beat Lou in all the MVP voting.
My apologies to everyone for not just picking the current best player in baseball and crowning him the best of all time. I know a tad more about baseball than that to have that sort of myopic opinion. But please, ridicule me for being "old school", if that means I know what I'm talking about and you guys don't.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp_bat.cgi?I=pujolal01:Albert%20Pujols&st=age&compage=29&age=29
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Apr 28, 2010 12:44am
Nobody is "crowning him the best of all time." You said said in 7 years at his current pace, he wouldnt even crack the top 25. That is just dumb. Seriously.