Notre Dame fans are like most Browns fan they are blind to the fact their team sucks.

rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^Keep telling yourself that. If that's the case, why does the Big 10 keep approaching them? The Big 10 needs ND more than ND will EVER need the Big 10.

Baloney.

If the Notre Dame faculty had a vote, this discussion would be over. Why? Because THEY realize how lucrative and prestigious it would be for Notre Dame to be part of a conference like the Big Ten.

If we're talking about football only, then I say ND still needs the Big Ten more than the reverse.

Right now, the Big Ten is producing more revenue than Notre Dame is getting from its NBC contract, and the value of a Big Ten conference that expands to include even more prime TV markets is going to widen that gap.

If it were up to me, I'd have the Big Ten expand without Notre Dame (they've already said no twice so screw them) and then prohibit any conference schools from scheduling them.

Then I'd get with other conferences and tell the BCS that if Notre Dame isn't a member of a conference, they shouldn't be eligible for BCS bowl games. Either completely join the Big East (or whoever) or stop having dreams of being a national player.

I'm not sure how you can say anyone is out of the talks, when the rumored list changes every couple days. At one point or another I have seen half the Big East teams and half the Big 12 teams rumored.

Writerbuckeye wrote: If it were up to me, I'd have the Big Ten expand without Notre Dame (they've already said no twice so screw them) and then prohibit any conference schools from scheduling them.

Then I'd get with other conferences and tell the BCS that if Notre Dame isn't a member of a conference, they shouldn't be eligible for BCS bowl games. Either completely join the Big East (or whoever) or stop having dreams of being a national player.

newarkcatholicfan wrote: Notre Dame fans are like most Browns fan they are blind to the fact their team sucks.

They're like the Cowboys of the NCAA. Who here said Notre Dame was good? I can't find the 1th person who said Notre Dame was good.

Writerbuckeye wrote: Baloney.

If the Notre Dame faculty had a vote, this discussion would be over. Why? Because THEY realize how lucrative and prestigious it would be for Notre Dame to be part of a conference like the Big Ten.

If we're talking about football only, then I say ND still needs the Big Ten more than the reverse.

Right now, the Big Ten is producing more revenue than Notre Dame is getting from its NBC contract, and the value of a Big Ten conference that expands to include even more prime TV markets is going to widen that gap.

If it were up to me, I'd have the Big Ten expand without Notre Dame (they've already said no twice so screw them) and then prohibit any conference schools from scheduling them.

Then I'd get with other conferences and tell the BCS that if Notre Dame isn't a member of a conference, they shouldn't be eligible for BCS bowl games. Either completely join the Big East (or whoever) or stop having dreams of being a national player.

Again, as I've stated before, do some research before posting things that aren't true!

As a single entity, only Texas made more money last year than Notre Dame. Yeah, the Big 10 as a conferecne makes more money off of their TV deal, I'm not disputing that at all. Notre Dame's football program funds more than just football, the program has literally built the school over the years.

The faculty (who has NO say), administration and alumni have no desire to join a conference, this is well documented. AD Swarbrick said he would have to consider it in the grand scheme of things if these "super" conferences ever took shape, basically for logistical reasons. Notre Dame doesn't need money, they have more than they can spend, it's the Big 10 who desires ND's national appeal because the Big 10 is regionalized. The Big 10 needs ND for more revenue and not the other way around.

LMAO at trying to black ball ND from playing any other BCS schools.......are you that dense? That's never going to happen!

I know if eats at you to admit it but ND doesn't need the Big 10, they need ND! Now chew on that "bologna"!

All mudslinging about Notre Dame aside, the Big Ten would welcome the Irish with open arms. It's all about the money.

rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^No one else has a clause because they're in a conference! No, it doesn't happen all the time with the Big East and ACC, case in point is Cincy last year. Too bad for Boise St, where were they when all these deals were hashed out?

Ah so close but so far....Army and Navy do not have this clause and they are also not in a conference. Point, Set, Match.

karen lotz wrote:

+1,000,000

People are correct though that Notre Dame's window of opportunity to act and their advantage of being an independent is closing. The more teams are gobbled up into megaconferences, the fewer teams Notre Dame can easily schedule. The larger the Big Ten Network gets, the more irrelevant Notre Dame's reach becomes from a fiscal standpoint.

Notre Dame does offer a national fan base to a conference. You could argue that Notre Dame would actually add more, or the same amount, of viewers in New Jersey/New York than Rutgers or Connecticut would. Notre Dame would add viewers from every state in the country. Unlike Ohio State, which has an absolutely massive fan base concentrated in the midwest and Arizona, Notre Dame's fan base is more evenly spread out across the country. There are considerable amounts of fans in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and everywhere in between. That's what Notre Dame offers. People will not miss their Notre Dame games quietly.

krazie45 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^No one else has a clause because they're in a conference! No, it doesn't happen all the time with the Big East and ACC, case in point is Cincy last year. Too bad for Boise St, where were they when all these deals were hashed out?

Ah so close but so far....Army and Navy do not have this clause and they are also not in a conference. Point, Set, Match.

You're kidding, right? You're using Army and Navy to support your argument? If that's the case then you are the one who's really "far away" on this one, not even worthy of a "match" let alone a "point and a set".

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

+1,000,000

People are correct though that Notre Dame's window of opportunity to act and their advantage of being an independent is closing. The more teams are gobbled up into megaconferences, the fewer teams Notre Dame can easily schedule. The larger the Big Ten Network gets, the more irrelevant Notre Dame's reach becomes from a fiscal standpoint.

Notre Dame does offer a national fan base to a conference. You could argue that Notre Dame would actually add more, or the same amount, of viewers in New Jersey/New York than Rutgers or Connecticut would. Notre Dame would add viewers from every state in the country. Unlike Ohio State, which has an absolutely massive fan base concentrated in the midwest and Arizona, Notre Dame's fan base is more evenly spread out across the country. There are considerable amounts of fans in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and everywhere in between. That's what Notre Dame offers. People will not miss their Notre Dame games quietly.

Why are ND fans so concerned about how big their fan base or how relevant they are to college football scene? What about winning Championships, beating big time opponents, or hell winning a bowl game?

I really think that's why ND is terrible year in year out, no one is focus on winning football games, they are focused on making money and being in the limelight.

rock_knutne wrote:

krazie45 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^No one else has a clause because they're in a conference! No, it doesn't happen all the time with the Big East and ACC, case in point is Cincy last year. Too bad for Boise St, where were they when all these deals were hashed out?

Ah so close but so far....Army and Navy do not have this clause and they are also not in a conference. Point, Set, Match.

You're kidding, right? You're using Army and Navy to support your argument? If that's the case then you are the one who's really "far away" on this one, not even worthy of a "match" let alone a "point and a set".

Navy won 10 games last year. Notre Dame wins 10 games they go to a BCS bowl. Navy is another independent team, just like Notre Dame, and despite winning 10 games did not go to a BCS bowl.

rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^No one else has a clause because they're in a conference! No, it doesn't happen all the time with the Big East and ACC, case in point is Cincy last year. Too bad for Boise St, where were they when all these deals were hashed out?

The Big 12 Champ goes to the Fiesta Bowl
The B10 Champ goes to the Rose Bowl
The Pac10 Champ goes to the Rose Bowl
The SEC Champ goes to the Sugar
The ACC goes to the Orange
The Big East champ automatically qualifies for a BCS Bowl. They get picked as an at large pick in either the Fiesta, Rose, Sugar or Orange Bowls. The Big East is the only BCS AQ school that is not slotted into particular bowl game.

The exception to this rule is when A conference champ goes to the National Title Game (like Alabama last year). The Sugar Bowl then took the at large pick, when ended up being another SEC team (Florida).

Because the BCS wants to try and include teams when its their choice with at large bids that people will tune in to watch. Hmm..a 10 win ND team vs Conf Champ X....or Conf Champ X vs Navy/Army. Yea that's the fuckin barn burner we've been waiting for. Its bad enough suckass Big east and ACC teams get slotted when their conferences for football are largely a joke.

Since we're playing the "I can convince the world to do unrealistic things" if it were my call, the top 10 teams would go to the BCS games. 1 vs 2 for title. Then 3 vs 4, 5 vs 6, 7 vs 8, and 9 vs 10 in the Rose, Fiesta, Orange, and Sugar with those matchups revolving around the 4 major bowls so one of them isn't always stuck with 9 vs 10. No conference winner has to go to bowl ___, no at larges where teams bitch or fans bitch. If we have the BCS use it and let it decide. If a conference like the SEC or Big 12 or Big 10 has 3 top 10 teams then they deserve to have them all rewarded. If ND is in top 10 then they deserve a big time game. If they're not, then let them play in one of the other 1500 bowl games. If you want in, don't finish 11th which at that point is probably the difference between having 2 or 3 losses. Don't lose that 3rd game if you want a big boy game.

krazie45 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote:

krazie45 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote: ^^^^^No one else has a clause because they're in a conference! No, it doesn't happen all the time with the Big East and ACC, case in point is Cincy last year. Too bad for Boise St, where were they when all these deals were hashed out?

Ah so close but so far....Army and Navy do not have this clause and they are also not in a conference. Point, Set, Match.

You're kidding, right? You're using Army and Navy to support your argument? If that's the case then you are the one who's really "far away" on this one, not even worthy of a "match" let alone a "point and a set".

Navy won 10 games last year. Notre Dame wins 10 games they go to a BCS bowl. Navy is another independent team, just like Notre Dame, and despite winning 10 games did not go to a BCS bowl.

They obviously didn't qualify for an "at large" bid and rightfully so! Navy wasn't ranked in the BCS top 25 after 15 weeks and weren't ranked in the final BCS ranking of the year..........you really did wonders supporting your argument with that one pal.:rolleyes:

Are we really comparing mid majors like Army and Navy to Notre Dame when talking about the BCS?

My how the "mighty" have fallen.

There is no comparison, clown. It was a horrible example by a mascot.

Writerbuckeye wrote: Are we really comparing mid majors like Army and Navy to Notre Dame when talking about the BCS?

My how the "mighty" have fallen.

Who made a comparison? I just dispelled the incredibly insane theory krazie put out there about Navy being an 10 win independent and not gettting a BCS birth. Laughable!

Wow you guys completely missed my point. When the only two remaining independents other than Notre Dame are Army and Navy, I think it's time to join a conference. Army and Navy are independents and no, they don't play the schedule ND does obviously which is why they weren't in the BCS. But who's to say either would never bump up their schedule? Also, Notre Dame could've realistically played the same schedule as Navy, and if they had won the 10 games they would've been in a BCS bowl without a doubt.

I'm saying that no other team gets to hand pick their schedule like Notre Dame and still have a clause to be in the BCS. Every other team in the country plays in a conference except for Army and Navy. (Air Force plays in a conference, who's to say they couldn't have an undefeated year and make a BCS game?).

My original point is the same one I'm making now. Notre Dame is the only team in the country with their own singular clause to make a BCS game.

karen lotz wrote: There is no comparison, clown. It was a horrible example by a mascot.

I'm sorry, was that supposed to be some kind of insult? Because if it was, you failed worse than your perception of my example failing.

krazie45 wrote: Wow you guys completely missed my point. When the only two remaining independents other than Notre Dame are Army and Navy, I think it's time to join a conference. Army and Navy are independents and no, they don't play the schedule ND does obviously which is why they weren't in the BCS. But who's to say either would never bump up their schedule? Also, Notre Dame could've realistically played the same schedule as Navy, and if they had won the 10 games they would've been in a BCS bowl without a doubt.

I'm saying that no other team gets to hand pick their schedule like Notre Dame and still have a clause to be in the BCS. Every other team in the country plays in a conference except for Army and Navy. (Air Force plays in a conference, who's to say they couldn't have an undefeated year and make a BCS game?).

My original point is the same one I'm making now. Notre Dame is the only team in the country with their own singular clause to make a BCS game.

More power to ND for negotiating that deal, they have the neccesary leverage to do it because of there immense national appeal. ND doesn't need to join a conference and in all likelyhood, they won't for a very long time, maybe never.

Did Notre Dame create the BCS? Were they the one who set the rules for their inclusion or was it voted on by the rest of the BCS affiliated conferences and schools? There is a reason why Notre Dame has their "clause" while Navy and Army do not.