jmog wrote:
bigmanbt wrote:
Well, God has never shown me a damn thing, because he doesn't exist. I won't claim to talk to God directly, like good ole GW said he did, haha. But we'd have spared numerous American and Middle Eastern lives, saved massive amounts of money which would have kept the deficit down, and with an emphasis on a strong DEFENSE, pretty sure nothing would have happened. 2,900 civilians died in 9/11 (and it was horrible), over 100,000 civilians have died in Iraq since we've been there. We've had not attacks like 9/11 again, and it's not because we are fighting there, it's because we've secured our homeland better. 9/11 was a once in a century type thing.
We can accomplish much more with peace than we can with war. ~Ron Paul~ We've done better with Vietnam and Korea since the wars than we ever did during the wars or shortly after. Peace works.
1. 100,000 is just an estimate, not a count. It is also not just civilians, it includes enemy combatants and civilians killed by Iraqi's themselves with road side bombs, etc.
2. One could make the argument that 100,000 Iraqi's dead is less than what would have been dead if Hussein was still in power since some estimates put his own number in his 23 years at 800,000 Iraqi's dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_death_toll
Look at the link, the 100,000 refers to civilians killed through violent combat, not the ones that weren't civilians but "insurgents". Count the ones we were actually targeting and it gets more insane. One estimate is in the millions in the total conflict.
About point 2, it's not our job to protect them. I would take that many Iraqi deaths to save the lives of our American troops, because what they do is none of our business, as long as they don't attack us. (again, under the current situation with us occupying their land, they will want to attack us, so we need to not only stop the wars but leave all those bases immediately as well).
