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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Apr 18, 2010 8:16pm
May or may not be. Your assertion that paying for a child's college is part of the child having a better life than the parents is not as cut and dried as you stated. Making some children travel a tougher path is exactly what they need to end up in a better place than their parents.LJ wrote:But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:queencitybuckeye wrote:Yep, and paying one's way is a big part of that.LJ wrote:Because it should be their life, not yours.GoChiefs wrote:Yes...b/c god forbid you should have to work for something on your own huh? :rolleyes: My son is spoiled, he gets almost anything he wants, within reason. So a lot of kids would actually like to have someone like me and my wife as parents.DeyDurkie5 wrote: I'm glad my parents aren't gochiefs is all I can say lolUntil they are older of course.
B/c nothing I had to go through has been too difficult to get through. B/c it has helped make me who I am today. Again...if I had a shitty life, I could understand your question. But, I don't. So..why WOULDN'T I want them to have to go through what I did???I Wear Pants wrote: The question I have is, why would you want them to have to go through what you did?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:16pm
nothing, if that's what they want to do. I think parents should afford their kids more options than just saying "this is how I did it and it's the same way you are going to do it"GoChiefs wrote:What's wrong with doing it the way dad did? :huh:LJ wrote: But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Apr 18, 2010 8:18pm
Not paying for a child's education leaves them only one way to do it? Not remotely factual. I thought of several in 30 seconds.LJ wrote:nothing, if that's what they want to do. I think parents should afford their kids more options than just saying "this is how I did it and it's the same way you are going to do it"GoChiefs wrote:What's wrong with doing it the way dad did? :huh:LJ wrote: But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:19pm
He has options. He can go to college, or he can go straight into the work force. It will be up to him to decide what he wants to do.LJ wrote: nothing, if that's what they want to do. I think parents should afford their kids more options than just saying "this is how I did it and it's the same way you are going to do it"
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:21pm
It's all about options. My college was paid for by my parents, sure, but I also worked 50 hour weeks every summer doing land and apartment maintenance and later on construction sites from the age of 13 until I was 21. I would say that I traveled quite the tough path to earn what I have. Making a child pay for their tuition is not the only way for them to take "the tough path". Hell, my dad paid more in taxes every year than most kid's parents made, but I only got $25 for a pair of shoes, $25 for school supplies and $50 for clothes at the beginning of every school year starting after my first summer of work. Anything else I wanted I had to pay for myself. My dad though, wanted to make sure that I had a quality education and wasn't going to let me start my life with debt.queencitybuckeye wrote:May or may not be. Your assertion that paying for a child's college is part of the child having a better life than the parents is not as cut and dried as you stated. Making some children travel a tougher path is exactly what they need to end up in a better place than their parents.LJ wrote:But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:queencitybuckeye wrote:Yep, and paying one's way is a big part of that.LJ wrote:Because it should be their life, not yours.GoChiefs wrote:Yes...b/c god forbid you should have to work for something on your own huh? :rolleyes: My son is spoiled, he gets almost anything he wants, within reason. So a lot of kids would actually like to have someone like me and my wife as parents.DeyDurkie5 wrote: I'm glad my parents aren't gochiefs is all I can say lol
B/c nothing I had to go through has been too difficult to get through. B/c it has helped make me who I am today. Again...if I had a shitty life, I could understand your question. But, I don't. So..why WOULDN'T I want them to have to go through what I did???I Wear Pants wrote: The question I have is, why would you want them to have to go through what you did?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:22pm
what? Saying "if you want to go to college, you have to get loans and work and pay for the whole thing yourself because that is how I did it" is not providing your kid with options. Sorry.queencitybuckeye wrote:Not paying for a child's education leaves them only one way to do it? Not remotely factual. I thought of several in 30 seconds.LJ wrote:nothing, if that's what they want to do. I think parents should afford their kids more options than just saying "this is how I did it and it's the same way you are going to do it"GoChiefs wrote:What's wrong with doing it the way dad did? :huh:LJ wrote: But having to do what dad did isn't :rolleyes:
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:23pm
There again. You don't have to start your life out in debt. If you don't want the debt, don't go to college. If you believe an education is more important, then you go to college and pay off YOUR debts.LJ wrote: My dad though, wanted to make sure that I had a quality education and wasn't going to let me start my life with debt.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:24pm
Door A) Go to college and pay for you life decision.LJ wrote: what? Saying "if you want to go to college, you have to get loans and work and pay for the whole thing yourself because that is how I did it" is not providing your kid with options. Sorry.
Door B) Go to work and not start your life out in debt.
Door C) Go to work and save up money and then go to college so you're not in debt.
Door D) Go to college and work towards your education at the same time.
Yeah..I'd say he has options.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:25pm
I think your whole argument stems from whether or not college is important. That is a different argument and is skewing your opinion against people who do feel that college is very important. I think your whole thing stems from how you value education rather than anything else.GoChiefs wrote:There again. You don't have to start your life out in debt. If you don't want the debt, don't go to college. If you believe an education is more important, then you go to college and pay off YOUR debts.LJ wrote: My dad though, wanted to make sure that I had a quality education and wasn't going to let me start my life with debt.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:25pm
GoChiefs wrote:Door A) Go to college and pay for you life decision.LJ wrote: what? Saying "if you want to go to college, you have to get loans and work and pay for the whole thing yourself because that is how I did it" is not providing your kid with options. Sorry.
Door B) Go to work and not start your life out in debt.
Yeah..I'd say he has options.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:28pm
My debate stems from nothing other than the fact that if any of my children want a college education, they will have to earn it themselves. What I think about a college education has nothing to do with it.LJ wrote: I think your whole argument stems from whether or not college is important. That is a different argument and is skewing your opinion against people who do feel that college is very important. I think your whole thing stems from how you value education rather than anything else.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:29pm
I call BS, because a lot of your statements always end in "something they may or may not use"GoChiefs wrote:My debate stems from nothing other than the fact that if any of my children want a college education, they will have to earn it themselves. What I think about a college education has nothing to do with it.LJ wrote: I think your whole argument stems from whether or not college is important. That is a different argument and is skewing your opinion against people who do feel that college is very important. I think your whole thing stems from how you value education rather than anything else.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 18, 2010 8:30pm
btw, whether or not you or someone else pays for the college, the child will earn the college education themselves regardless. They are the ones who will be doing all the work.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:31pm
You can call it what you want. Again, I don't care. I'm not going to try to convince you why or why not.LJ wrote: I call BS, because a lot of your statements always end in "something they may or may not use"
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:32pm
Awesome. Since they are the one benefiting and doing all the work, let them pick it up on their own dime.LJ wrote: btw, whether or not you or someone else pays for the college, the child will earn the college education themselves regardless. They are the ones who will be doing all the work.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 18, 2010 8:34pm
so i didnt take this route. but when i was 18, had i moved out and got a job i would have been in debt. i dont know how anyone couldnt be considering most jobs people have before 18 arent exactly jobs you could live off of. buying a house, owning a car and living on your own would put just about anyone in debt right away.GoChiefs wrote:Door A) Go to college and pay for you life decision.LJ wrote: what? Saying "if you want to go to college, you have to get loans and work and pay for the whole thing yourself because that is how I did it" is not providing your kid with options. Sorry.
Door B) Go to work and not start your life out in debt.
Door C) Go to work and save up money and then go to college so you're not in debt.
Door D) Go to college and work towards your education at the same time.
Yeah..I'd say he has options.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:38pm
Who said anything about getting a job and moving right out? Nothing around with working while at home to save up a buck or two. I don't care if you have a college education or not, you're going to be in debt eventually. It's a part of life for most people. I know when I got out of school, even with a college degree. I still bought a home, lived on my own, and had a car. So, even with my degree...I was still in debt. You don't have to buy a home at 18. You can rent. Which is the wise thing to do at that age. My son will have a car when he's 16. So, no debt there. The only expense he will have should have if he chooses this route is living on his own.Glory Days wrote: so i didnt take this route. but when i was 18, had i moved out and got a job i would have been in debt. i dont know how anyone couldnt be considering most jobs people have before 18 arent exactly jobs you could live off of. buying a house, owning a car and living on your own would put just about anyone in debt right away.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Apr 18, 2010 8:40pm
I just think that the other side of the debate is that kids are not entitled to a college education in alot of people's eyes. If the parents want to do that for their kids, fine.
But it isn't WRONG for the parents to let the kids choose to go to college and pay for it themselves.
But it isn't WRONG for the parents to let the kids choose to go to college and pay for it themselves.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Apr 18, 2010 8:41pm
Are you cool with the kid living at home and commuting to school?
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:42pm
Exactly.CenterBHSFan wrote: I just think that the other side of the debate is that kids are not entitled to a college education in alot of people's eyes. If the parents want to do that for their kids, fine.
But it isn't WRONG for the parents to let the kids choose to go to college and pay for it themselves.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:43pm
I have no problems with that at all. I'm not an asshole. I will help my son out anyway that I can, but I'm not going to go and spend thousands of dollars out of my pocket for it.I Wear Pants wrote: Are you cool with the kid living at home and commuting to school?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 18, 2010 8:44pm
I think GoCheifs is more concerned about using his money to get drunk every weekend and live a higher luxury lifestyle than help his kids out in life.
We have a word for that, it's called being selfish and you can take that to the bank.
We have a word for that, it's called being selfish and you can take that to the bank.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Apr 18, 2010 8:45pm
Well yeah, but frankly it isn't an option for most people if you want to have any semblance of even an upper-middle class life.CenterBHSFan wrote: I just think that the other side of the debate is that kids are not entitled to a college education in alot of people's eyes. If the parents want to do that for their kids, fine.
But it isn't WRONG for the parents to let the kids choose to go to college and pay for it themselves.
People can do it without a college degree but it's a hell of a lot harder, especially now.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 18, 2010 8:47pm
Well, considering I'm not much of a drinker, and I never claimed to live a high luxury lifestyle. You obviously, as most times, don't know what you're talking about. Book it!sleeper wrote: I think GoCheifs is more concerned about using his money to get drunk every weekend and live a higher luxury lifestyle than help his kids out in life.
We have a word for that, it's called being selfish and you can take that to the bank.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Apr 18, 2010 8:48pm
Why is the money such a huge deal?GoChiefs wrote:I have no problems with that at all. I'm not an asshole. I will help my son out anyway that I can, but I'm not going to go and spend thousands of dollars out of my pocket for it.I Wear Pants wrote: Are you cool with the kid living at home and commuting to school?
I understand that you don't want the kid to spend your money on school and end up flunking out or not using it but why not help him out a bit on condition that he does exemplary in school and retains at least a part time job.
Or if that is still unacceptable to you I have another question. Will you co-sign on student loans for him?