stroups
Posts: 3,223
Apr 13, 2010 4:52pm
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Apr 13, 2010 5:02pm
if they get compensated anywhere close to what pittsburgh got for holmes i'd be shocked.
he was never the guy for sparano and the tuna (or me, as a dolphins fan) but i don't wish the guy any ill. He's been a good person, but not a great player. can't blame the dolphins for looking to move him, but i feel bad for a guy who's not a fuck up to not be successful.
he was never the guy for sparano and the tuna (or me, as a dolphins fan) but i don't wish the guy any ill. He's been a good person, but not a great player. can't blame the dolphins for looking to move him, but i feel bad for a guy who's not a fuck up to not be successful.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 13, 2010 5:03pm
Wasnt too surprising he didnt live up to what some people thought. He was a guy with great speed but not a full set of receiving skills.
77Legend
Posts: 615
Apr 13, 2010 5:35pm
Not surprised. Was not worth a Top 10 pick. He wasn't even the best WR on Ohio State, Gonzo was.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Apr 13, 2010 5:50pm
Exactly, I blame the Dolphins for reaching for him. I was surprised he was even worthy of a 1st round pick, let alone a top 10. He was setup to fail.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Apr 13, 2010 5:57pm
Can i finally say he was a complete bust without being called "just a jealous michigan fan"?
krazie45
Posts: 1,055
Apr 13, 2010 6:01pm
Still an excellent return man and could be effective if used correctly in an offense. He's a bust at receiver but I wouldn't call him completely worthless as an NFL player.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 13, 2010 6:09pm
YesHb31187 wrote: Can i finally say he was a complete bust without being called "just a jealous michigan fan"?
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Apr 13, 2010 6:46pm
cmon gonzo? we seen how good he was when ginn went down in the florida game. ginn's speed requires double coverage, and that alone opens things up for other receivers.77Legend wrote: Not surprised. Was not worth a Top 10 pick. He wasn't even the best WR on Ohio State, Gonzo was.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Apr 13, 2010 6:46pm
in my opinion the 2 are unrelated.Hb31187 wrote: Can i finally say he was a complete bust without being called "just a jealous michigan fan"?
but i'm pretty objective. most people on here want the dolphins to fail because they've got 2 michigan grads anchoring the Offense (Long/Henne). I'm as big a OSU fan as anyone and I fail to see how the success of anyone at the pro level has an effect on the weekend before thanksgiving.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 13, 2010 7:53pm
I heard about this earlier in the offseason.
Is Ginn a bust? Not at all. Was he worthy of the 9th pick? Hell no!
Is Ginn a bust? Not at all. Was he worthy of the 9th pick? Hell no!
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Apr 13, 2010 9:58pm
Give the guy some time. It isn't like he has been playing for the most stable franchise in the NFL.How many QB's have the Dolphins gone through since Ginn got there?? I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
77Legend
Posts: 615
Apr 13, 2010 10:06pm
KRyder....Add to the fact in the National Championship how horrible the O-Line was, Troy, and the game preparation. He has had his chance in the slot, and as a # 1 and # 2, didn't pan out. Take out the fact of Gonzo's injury last year, he was a legit # 2, but probably will be a # 3 now with Pierre Garcon'. But still, Manning loves him. So I stand by what I say, Gonzo > Ginn as a Wide Receiver. Ginn > Gonzo as an athlete and return man.
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charliehustle14
Posts: 2,224
Apr 13, 2010 10:09pm
If Ginn was a late first rounder like many predicted, no one would be calling him a bust.
But because the Dolphins were retarded and took him way too high, Ginn has fallen into that territory where the bust label gets thrown around.
I still think he can be a decent WR for a lucky team as a 3rd-4th option. But no way was he good enough to be selected 9th overall.
But because the Dolphins were retarded and took him way too high, Ginn has fallen into that territory where the bust label gets thrown around.
I still think he can be a decent WR for a lucky team as a 3rd-4th option. But no way was he good enough to be selected 9th overall.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Apr 14, 2010 10:35am
I'd take a chance on him. Not this past season, but the season before that, he showed some signs of breaking through. I'd give up a 6th or 7th rounder and plug him in as my 3rd WR and try to use his speed on special teams. He hasn't been as bad as advertised
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Apr 14, 2010 10:53am
Would be interesting if they held onto him, now that opposing defenses will be focused on Marshall it could free up Ginn to be a slot guy/catch-and-run type of player.
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Apr 14, 2010 10:53am
I think it's a bit early to label Ginn a bust. Ginn has not exactly thrived at receiver, but he has had a parade of mediocre QBs running that offense. Ginn has been a stellar special teams player, and a decent receiver, but yes his draft slot looks to have been certainly too high at this point.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 14, 2010 11:02am
I'd take him as a return man, but that's about it.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 14, 2010 11:07am
He was also one of the only WRs to catch a TD pass on Revis last year. Just saying, he had to do something right to burn Revis.BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I think it's a bit early to label Ginn a bust. Ginn has not exactly thrived at receiver, but he has had a parade of mediocre QBs running that offense. Ginn has been a stellar special teams player, and a decent receiver, but yes his draft slot looks to have been certainly too high at this point.
I think Ginn can thrive in the right offense, but his lack of production is very Reggie Bush like, and I wouldn't call Reggie a bust.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 14, 2010 11:25am
Ginn just ended up getting one step on Revis and that is all he needed. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for saying he isn't a bust. He only had one other catch on the night and it was for 4 yards. The next game against the Jets Ginn had 0 catches.lhslep134 wrote:He was also one of the only WRs to catch a TD pass on Revis last year. Just saying, he had to do something right to burn Revis.BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I think it's a bit early to label Ginn a bust. Ginn has not exactly thrived at receiver, but he has had a parade of mediocre QBs running that offense. Ginn has been a stellar special teams player, and a decent receiver, but yes his draft slot looks to have been certainly too high at this point.
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Apr 14, 2010 1:08pm
I know it didn't have anything to do with Revis but didn't he have 2, 100 yd, TD returnsjustincredible wrote:Ginn just ended up getting one step on Revis and that is all he needed. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for saying he isn't a bust. He only had one other catch on the night and it was for 4 yards. The next game against the Jets Ginn had 0 catches.lhslep134 wrote:He was also one of the only WRs to catch a TD pass on Revis last year. Just saying, he had to do something right to burn Revis.BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I think it's a bit early to label Ginn a bust. Ginn has not exactly thrived at receiver, but he has had a parade of mediocre QBs running that offense. Ginn has been a stellar special teams player, and a decent receiver, but yes his draft slot looks to have been certainly too high at this point.
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RiverRat13
Posts: 377
Apr 14, 2010 1:16pm
I'd love to see the Bengals give up a late round pick for Teddy. He would fill their need for a return man and deep threat as a 3rd receiver.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 14, 2010 1:39pm
Right, which is why I said I'd definitely take him on my team as a return guy.stroups wrote:I know it didn't have anything to do with Revis but didn't he have 2, 100 yd, TD returnsjustincredible wrote:Ginn just ended up getting one step on Revis and that is all he needed. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for saying he isn't a bust. He only had one other catch on the night and it was for 4 yards. The next game against the Jets Ginn had 0 catches.lhslep134 wrote:He was also one of the only WRs to catch a TD pass on Revis last year. Just saying, he had to do something right to burn Revis.BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I think it's a bit early to label Ginn a bust. Ginn has not exactly thrived at receiver, but he has had a parade of mediocre QBs running that offense. Ginn has been a stellar special teams player, and a decent receiver, but yes his draft slot looks to have been certainly too high at this point.
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ksig489
Posts: 943
Apr 14, 2010 1:45pm
KnightRyder wrote:cmon gonzo? we seen how good he was when ginn went down in the florida game. ginn's speed requires double coverage, and that alone opens things up for other receivers.77Legend wrote: Not surprised. Was not worth a Top 10 pick. He wasn't even the best WR on Ohio State, Gonzo was.
But his hands and route running ability let you go back down to single coverage.
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Sonofanump
Apr 14, 2010 2:13pm
Many thought the Dolphins were gonna take Quinn with that pick, but reached for Ginn instead. They have done worse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Kumerow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Kumerow