gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 11, 2010 8:40pm
Since people are starting to put out Top 25 lists...we might as well do this
1.Mark Ingram
2.Jake Locker
3.Dion Lewis
4.Ryan Mallett
5.Kellen Moore
6.Jacquizz Rogers
7.Johnny Brantley
8.Terrelle Pryor
9.Andrew Luck
10.Matt Barkley
Preseason favorites:Ingram and Locker
Dark Horses:Brantley and Luck
1.Mark Ingram
2.Jake Locker
3.Dion Lewis
4.Ryan Mallett
5.Kellen Moore
6.Jacquizz Rogers
7.Johnny Brantley
8.Terrelle Pryor
9.Andrew Luck
10.Matt Barkley
Preseason favorites:Ingram and Locker
Dark Horses:Brantley and Luck
LJ
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Apr 11, 2010 8:47pm
I think Dion Lewis wins it and Locker wins the Maxwell.
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 8:50pm
If Ingram comes close to his stats from last year..and they go undefeated...no way they cant give it to him
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 11, 2010 8:55pm
I think you have Mallett and Brantley too high, and Kellen Moore a spot or 2 too low.
Ryan Williams should also be on the list. 1655 rushing yards and 21 TDs last season.
I would say it's...
1. Ingram
2. Locker
3. Moore
4. Pryor
5a. Williams
5b. Lewis
I'll throw Big 12 QBs in general out as my dark horse. Landry Jones, Blaine Gabbert, and Jerrod Johnson are all going to have big years. Jones is probably the only one whose team will have enough success to get him enough pub though.
Ryan Williams should also be on the list. 1655 rushing yards and 21 TDs last season.
I would say it's...
1. Ingram
2. Locker
3. Moore
4. Pryor
5a. Williams
5b. Lewis
I'll throw Big 12 QBs in general out as my dark horse. Landry Jones, Blaine Gabbert, and Jerrod Johnson are all going to have big years. Jones is probably the only one whose team will have enough success to get him enough pub though.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 11, 2010 8:55pm
I think Lewis has the chance to absolutely dominate the game. He has 2 seasons to do it though, so if he doesn't win this year, he will definitely at least push hard on Ingram. He will definitely be the 2011 favorite.gibby08 wrote: If Ingram comes close to his stats from last year..and they go undefeated...no way they cant give it to him
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 8:57pm
^^^
I agree
I also think Locker is going to have a huge year
I agree
I also think Locker is going to have a huge year
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 8:58pm
Mulva...you've got Pryor way way too high
DeyDurkie5
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Apr 11, 2010 9:04pm
you have Brantley way way way to high
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 9:05pm
Did you see any of the Florida Spring Game??
Brantley will be a frontrunner next year...and if they let him throw it...he will contend this year
Brantley will be a frontrunner next year...and if they let him throw it...he will contend this year
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 11, 2010 9:07pm
A junior QB on a pre-season ranked #2 team if they continue to win will get better consideration than your placement for him at #8 where you have him listed too low.
I know you can't stand OSU but logic dictates a higher look, considering end of the season health problems and a good Rose Bowl win.
I know you can't stand OSU but logic dictates a higher look, considering end of the season health problems and a good Rose Bowl win.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 11, 2010 9:08pm
What has he done to warrant being in the Top 5????
NOTHING
NOTHING
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 11, 2010 9:10pm
Brantley hasn't played a fucking down and you have him ahead of him...
Trueblue23
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Apr 11, 2010 9:11pm
LMAOytownfootball wrote: Brantley hasn't played a fucking down and you have him ahead of him...
You beat me to it man.
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 9:13pm
I'm basing that on the fact that Brantley is a much better pure QB than Terrelle Pryor and the fact that his coaches will more so allow him to use his skills than Pryor's will
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 11, 2010 9:13pm
Well, the 2011 frontrunners will be Pryor and Lewis, so that only leaves 1 spot for someone to have a chance at winning. As of right now you have to put Barkley in that spot, playing in that USC system and the skills he has and the media's love for USC. Brantley shouldn't be in the discussion until he wins some games this year.
Trueblue23
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Apr 11, 2010 9:15pm
Gibby this might be the dumbest pile of shit I've ever read.
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 9:16pm
Not even close...LJ wrote: Well, the 2011 frontrunners will be Pryor and Lewis, so that only leaves 1 spot for someone to have a chance at winning. As of right now you have to put Barkley in that spot, playing in that USC system and the skills he has and the media's love for USC. Brantley shouldn't be in the discussion until he wins some games this year.
Trueblue23
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Apr 11, 2010 9:17pm
I'm honestly not sure if I've read anything more homeristic than this.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 11, 2010 9:20pm
are you really that ignorant? like come on dude, you are putting a person who hasn't played shit in the hiesman frontrunner position? and basing it on the fact you think he is a great qb? Get the fuck off this message board if you are going to spew this shit and actually believe it.gibby08 wrote: I'm basing that on the fact that Brantley is a much better pure QB than Terrelle Pryor and the fact that his coaches will more so allow him to use his skills than Pryor's will
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 9:21pm
What about this...
I think we can all agree Pryor thinks alot of himself
What if he has a pretty good season..and is projected as a 2nd round pick?? He will bolt so fucking fast your head will spin..and his being a frontrunner for 2011 goes right out the window
This year..his entire campaign hinges on one date...September 11. He has a shitty game...he has no chance
I think we can all agree Pryor thinks alot of himself
What if he has a pretty good season..and is projected as a 2nd round pick?? He will bolt so fucking fast your head will spin..and his being a frontrunner for 2011 goes right out the window
This year..his entire campaign hinges on one date...September 11. He has a shitty game...he has no chance
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 11, 2010 9:22pm
Good argument. Pryor will lead the Buckeyes to another 1 or 2 loss season this year with even better stats than he had in 09, to say that, going into his senior year he won't be in the top 3 in the Heisman race is ridiculous. Lewis is a beast and will be in the top 3. As of RIGHT NOW, for 2011, the only other person out there that really shows that "flash" (who has experience and has actually played a whole season, and in big games) is Barkley. Brantley hasn't done 1 damn thing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. What are his career stats? Tot.: 28 18 235 64.3 1 3 38 163.00gibby08 wrote:Not even close...LJ wrote: Well, the 2011 frontrunners will be Pryor and Lewis, so that only leaves 1 spot for someone to have a chance at winning. As of right now you have to put Barkley in that spot, playing in that USC system and the skills he has and the media's love for USC. Brantley shouldn't be in the discussion until he wins some games this year.
There is nothing, NOTHING, that puts him in the convo right now. Absolutely nothing.
gibby08
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Apr 11, 2010 9:22pm
DeyDurkie5 wrote:are you really that ignorant? like come on dude, you are putting a person who hasn't played shit in the hiesman frontrunner position? and basing it on the fact you think he is a great qb? Get the fuck off this message board if you are going to spew this shit and actually believe it.gibby08 wrote: I'm basing that on the fact that Brantley is a much better pure QB than Terrelle Pryor and the fact that his coaches will more so allow him to use his skills than Pryor's will
That statement was in regards to this year...I said he will be afront runner in 2011. Learn to fucking read
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 11, 2010 9:23pm
CBA issues, no one will be bolting in 2011gibby08 wrote: What about this...
I think we can all agree Pryor thinks alot of himself
What if he has a pretty good season..and is projected as a 2nd round pick?? He will bolt so fucking fast your head will spin..and his being a frontrunner for 2011 goes right out the window
This year..his entire campaign hinges on one date...September 11. He has a shitty game...he has no chance
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 11, 2010 9:23pm
LJ wrote:Good argument. Pryor will lead the Buckeyes to another 1 or 2 loss season this year with even better stats than he had in 09, to say that, going into his senior year he won't be in the top 3 in the Heisman race is ridiculous. Lewis is a beast and will be in the top 3. As of RIGHT NOW, for 2011, the only other person out there that really shows that "flash" (who has experience and has actually played a whole season, and in big games) is Barkley. Brantley hasn't done 1 damn thing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. What are his career stats? Tot.: 28 18 235 64.3 1 3 38 163.00gibby08 wrote:Not even close...LJ wrote: Well, the 2011 frontrunners will be Pryor and Lewis, so that only leaves 1 spot for someone to have a chance at winning. As of right now you have to put Barkley in that spot, playing in that USC system and the skills he has and the media's love for USC. Brantley shouldn't be in the discussion until he wins some games this year.
There is nothing, NOTHING, that puts him in the convo right now. Absolutely nothing.
What puts Terrelle Pryor in the Top 5?? NOTHING
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2010 9:23pm
I always hate how the Heisman winner from last year is automatically the front runner for next year's Heisman. There will NEVER be another 2-time Heisman winner as long as Archie Griffin is still alive, I mean if Tebow(whom the media sucked off for 4 years) can't do it, then certainly Ingram won't.
As far as Pryor, I could see it if Ohio State goes undefeated, and I think Locker, Lewis, and Mallet all are in it as well.
Brantley? LOL
As far as Pryor, I could see it if Ohio State goes undefeated, and I think Locker, Lewis, and Mallet all are in it as well.
Brantley? LOL