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Apr 7, 2010 11:44 PM
THE4RINGZ wrote: What causes one to light their footware on fire in the washroom? Seriously is he that fucking stupid that he thought he could do that, go back to his seat, and get off the plane like nothing happened?

King, Prince, Diplomat, whatever, what a fucking dumbass.
the article said he put his cigarette out on the bottom of his shoe.
Apr 7, 2010 11:44pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:44 PM
So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
Apr 7, 2010 11:44pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:46 PM
gibby08 wrote: You act like this wouldn't have been stopped before 9/11
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
i haven't done any research i'll admit, but i dont recall any hijacked planes being taken back by passengers until 9/11.
Apr 7, 2010 11:46pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:47 PM
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
Apr 7, 2010 11:47pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:48 PM
I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
Apr 7, 2010 11:48pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:48 PM
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
Can't say that, but to say that a 1 in 909 vs a 1 in 30 chance of an air marshal being there who is trained to stop it isn't a big different is ridiculous. It's one of the spending sprees that Bush embarked on that is actually paying off. FAM were not on average flights before 9/11. Airplanes are 1 place where the american citizen is almost complete vulnerable and any extra police presence is a giant plus.
Apr 7, 2010 11:48pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:49 PM
gibby08 wrote: I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
The numbers don't lie. Your downplaying of the FAM program is asinine.
Apr 7, 2010 11:49pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:50 PM
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
Apr 7, 2010 11:50pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:51 PM
LJ wrote:
gibby08 wrote: I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
The numbers don't lie. Your downplaying of the FAM program is asinine.

You can keep throwing those numbers out all you want LJ,and can say I'm downplaying the program..but don't act like the Bush program is the only reason this plane didn't go down
Apr 7, 2010 11:51pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:54 PM
gibby08 wrote:
LJ wrote:
gibby08 wrote: I'm not saying they would've..but some on here are acting like without the Bush program...this plane would have blown up
The numbers don't lie. Your downplaying of the FAM program is asinine.

You can keep throwing those numbers out all you want LJ,and can say I'm downplaying the program..but don't act like the Bush program is the only reason this plane didn't go down
Umm, it's a major factor. You are throwing out a hypothetical unknown assertion made up by you vs hard facts. Bush is the one that put thousands of air marshals on common commercial flights. One of these air marshals stopped the incident, therefore the program put into place by Bush stopped the attack.
Apr 7, 2010 11:54pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:54 PM
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.
Apr 7, 2010 11:54pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:58 PM
We don't need Bush's Air Marshals.

Apr 7, 2010 11:58pm
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Apr 7, 2010 11:58 PM
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.

You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't

So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Apr 7, 2010 11:58pm
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Apr 8, 2010 12:00 AM
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.

You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't

So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
That didn't work out too well, did it? Fat lot of good it does for the passengers to intervene if they all die anyway. I'll take the air marshals on my plane, thank you.
Apr 8, 2010 12:00am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:00 AM
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.

You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't

So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Ok, let's go over something.

Did a passenger stop this incident? NO
Did an air marshal stop this incident? YES
Were air marshals on common commercial flights before 9/11? NO
Therefore the FACT is that Bush's FAM program stopped the attack.
Apr 8, 2010 12:00am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:01 AM
none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
Apr 8, 2010 12:01am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:02 AM
gibby08 wrote: none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
No, you don't understand what everyone is telling you. You are playing out a hypothetical situation that did not happen tonight vs what actually happened tonight.
Apr 8, 2010 12:02am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:02 AM
LJ wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.

You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't

So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Ok, let's go over something.

Did a passenger stop this incident? NO
Did an air marshal stop this incident? YES
Were air marshals on common commercial flights before 9/11? NO
Therefore the FACT is that Bush's FAM program stopped the attack.
What if this had been one of the flights that didn't have an Air Marshall on it?? Would Bush's program have caused the death of passengers??
Apr 8, 2010 12:02am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:03 AM
LJ wrote:
gibby08 wrote: none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
No, you don't understand what everyone is telling you. You are playing out a hypothetical situation that did not happen tonight vs what actually happened tonight.
ohh..I get it now LJ..

If I don't agree with you...I don't understand

Gotya chief
Apr 8, 2010 12:03am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:03 AM
gibby08 wrote:
LJ wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote:
tk421 wrote:
gibby08 wrote: So you're saying a regular passenger couldn't or wouldn't have stopped it?
What a great idea, let's leave our airline security to the passengers. What the hell do we need air marshals for, the guy would have obviously been stopped by the passengers. There was no danger at all.
You don't even understand what I'm saying...but that isn't a suprise
I understand perfectly. You're trying to make it so Bush can't take credit for implementing a program that has saved the lives of airline travelers. The idea that even without an air marshal some passenger would have saved the day is asinine.

You CANNOT say that this program alone saved lives...you just can't

So what you're saying is no passengers are Brave enough to stop a terrorist?? Umm.....ever heard of United 93??
Ok, let's go over something.

Did a passenger stop this incident? NO
Did an air marshal stop this incident? YES
Were air marshals on common commercial flights before 9/11? NO
Therefore the FACT is that Bush's FAM program stopped the attack.
What if this had been one of the flights that didn't have an Air Marshall on it?? Would Bush's program have caused the death of passengers??
sigh. Stop making up hypothetical situations that have not happened.
Apr 8, 2010 12:03am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:04 AM
gibby08 wrote:
LJ wrote:
gibby08 wrote: none of you even fucking understand what I'm saying...Jesus
No, you don't understand what everyone is telling you. You are playing out a hypothetical situation that did not happen tonight vs what actually happened tonight.
ohh..I get it now LJ..

If I don't agree with you...I don't understand

Gotya chief
sigh...

You haven't understood what I have told you at all. You are arguing fake gibby world vs reality.
Apr 8, 2010 12:04am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:04 AM
Can't have it both ways LJ...

Answer the question
Apr 8, 2010 12:04am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:06 AM
gibby08 wrote: Can't have it both ways LJ...

Answer the question
No it wouldn't be his fault, how could it?

If a cop shoots a murderer in the head that has a knife to a hostages throat, did the cop save their life? YES

If a murderer slits that same person's throat because there were no cops around who had no prior knowledge of the situation is it the cops fault? NO

So, I am not having it both ways.
Apr 8, 2010 12:06am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:07 AM
If he gets the credit for stopping one...he would have to get the shit for if one crashed without a federal Marshall
Apr 8, 2010 12:07am
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Apr 8, 2010 12:09 AM
gibby08 wrote: If he gets the credit for stopping one...he would have to get the shit for if one crashed without a federal Marshall
Not at all. Have a good night!!! :D
Apr 8, 2010 12:09am