Thank you Bruteye, I dont think onedawgpain knows what a stunt is. And as for my previous post, i was not stating that i would like to see Doty fill the position of head coach, in fact i think that he is excellent as the d-coordinator and should stay there. But all this bs you others are saying about him is completely uncalled for. And, unless you hear him say and see him do what you are accusing him of, don't spread it around as fact because i know for a fact that half this crap ain't true. AND, the only reason Coach Berg was more liked among the players, if indeed this is fact, is because he didn't push players even close to what Doty does. And Mr. Ringz, Coach Doty is the best D-Coordinator in the league the past 5 years, i would say that is results driven.

I will say this, Mike Berg was my position coach and I loved playing for him.

I have heard that the decision is coming possibly as soon as tonight or tomorrow. I honestly do not care at this point who the new coach is because I am sure they all know the game or they wouldn't still be interviewing. Whoever gets the job please try to support the decision for the time being. Next year should be a decent season for the dawgs, but the following few years might be rough just by looking a the number of kids out for football in the 9th and 10th grade classes. I believe there were 12 players total between both grades. Even if they are all stellar athletes it will be hard to piece together great teams with those numbers. There will definitely some young players playing when those classes are juniors and seniors and it is hard to win consistently with young players. Be patient with the process and things will come around. If any one on here is a parent of a current 8th grade football player please encourage those boys to stick it out. These kids need to realize that although their class may not have won a lot of games when it gets to the varsity level it changes because you can fill in with the other classes. I think the 8th grade and the 7th grade classes will combine to make a pretty darn good football team.

as far as Doty goes - i think he is a pretty quality guy and a pretty good coach, just not a head coach. He has been a solid part of the staff for awhile now. In my opinion, the program had gone a little flat in Ramsay's last few years. There seemed to be a little bit of disconnect with the jr high and youth programs at the end and the numbers have suffered in part because of that at the high school level. I think they need a change with some new blood to ramp up the excitment a little bit and get a few of those kids back out that haven't played for a year or two. I don't think hiring someone from the current regime helps you to do that. It was nice to see a couple guys perform this year that hadn't played and perform well (Chris Himes, etc).

bruteye - great point on the younger grades. It is amazing how often teams are bad (or good) in jr high and the opposite is true when you get to high school. A certain class may have a bad team, but some good guys at the skill positions, the next class may also be bad but only have lineman - get them together in high school and you can have a darn good team. I expect the dawgs to be quite good next year, then have two rough years before things get solid again - we will have to have patience after next season

I agree 1486wd, Himes, Masters, and Burns were crucial to the team's success this year which was a nice, unexpected surprise.

team wrote: Thank you Bruteye, I dont think onedawgpain knows what a stunt is. And as for my previous post, i was not stating that i would like to see Doty fill the position of head coach, in fact i think that he is excellent as the d-coordinator and should stay there. But all this bs you others are saying about him is completely uncalled for. And, unless you hear him say and see him do what you are accusing him of, don't spread it around as fact because i know for a fact that half this crap ain't true. AND, the only reason Coach Berg was more liked among the players, if indeed this is fact, is because he didn't push players even close to what Doty does. And Mr. Ringz, Coach Doty is the best D-Coordinator in the league the past 5 years, i would say that is results driven.

Team, PM me and we'll meet over coffee at Wendys to talk about what I know and don't know. We may have stunted, but it was generally the wrong one or same one over and over, game after game. Same with pass coverage, usually caught in the wrong or same coverage on a consistant basis. Good coaches pick up on this.
I've had run ins with Doty the past 10 years, not very good ones, going back when he taught at the Jr High. My boys have played for him. Don't lecture me how he pushes players, I've said it once and I'll say it 100 times, he suffers from little mans syndrome. You DONOT motivate players by name calling, swearing at and putting players down period..
Just because you have good solid defensive talent, doesn't mean you're a good coach, period!!
I will say no more on this subject.
Hope they pick soon so this thread dies.

8th grade has some talent, and will have more when some of these fellas get over the gangly stage and start putting on a little weight. They also need POSITIVE motivation from the upperclassmen to work hard when they start lifing in June. And I think the upcoming seniors are just the class to make that happen. A great bunch. 2010 should be a pretty good year for the dawgs.

I don't think anyone who uses profanity directed at anyone, player, coach, or ref, has the capability to be a quality head coach at the schoolastic level in any sport. Good coaches know how to get players to want to be there best without name calling. As for the defense, we've had some quality players at Dalton that make a D coordinator look pretty good, but our pass coverage leaves alot to be desired.

anyone heard if it will be announced today or sometime soon? I saw Perry has made their choice.

We have had some good talent on the defensive side of the ball but all those players were playing on the offensive side of the ball too, and i don't hear anyone ripping Coach Ramsey like they are ripping Doty. And Ramsey cussed more then any of the other coaches combined so you can't use that as an argument either. Plus, he is shorter than Doty so their goes your little man syndrome argument, onedawg. And yes, the suspense is killing me. How soon will this be announced?

I was never much of a big Ramsey fan, He did some good things, but he allowed that type of behavior on the sideline from him and his coaches. These are impressionable young minds we're talking about. It has no place. If a kid talked like that he would be penalized or even removed from the game. You can bet Billie J McFarren never swore on the sideline much less at a player!

All right, put aside the fact that a potential coach at DHS cusses like a sailor at times, do you think this Doty guy is the right guy for the head coaching job or not? Granted he has masterminded what is believed to be the best defense in the WCAL for the past five years, but is he head coach material?

THE4RINGZ wrote: All right, put aside the fact that a potential coach at DHS cusses like a sailor at times, do you think this Doty guy is the right guy for the head coaching job or not? Granted he has masterminded what is believed to be the best defense in the WCAL for the past five years, but is he head coach material?

Well apparently the search committee doesn't think Doty is the right guy. I just heard it's down to Carr and Billker. Besides, I think it's a reach to say he "masterminded" the defense. He certainly didn't come up with anything new. Football is just a matter of putting the right people in the right places. Hell, he didn't even always have the right people in the right places. Don't know how many times the defense was still moving around while the QB was calling the cadence.

bleed_orange_and_black wrote:

THE4RINGZ wrote: All right, put aside the fact that a potential coach at DHS cusses like a sailor at times, do you think this Doty guy is the right guy for the head coaching job or not? Granted he has masterminded what is believed to be the best defense in the WCAL for the past five years, but is he head coach material?

Well apparently the search committee doesn't think Doty is the right guy. I just heard it's down to Carr and Billker. Besides, I think it's a reach to say he "masterminded" the defense. He certainly didn't come up with anything new. Football is just a matter of putting the right in the right places. Hell, he didn't even always have the right people in the right places. Don't know how many times the defense was still moving around while the QB was calling the cadence.

The "mastermind" reference in my earlier post, was a paraphrase of another earlier post by someone else. I have to agree that there is nothing new in football.

I saw DHS play once, and scrimmage once. Thought the D played well. Nothing too complex. As far as walking around during the cadence, I seem to see that alot. Apparently D Coordinators in high school watch too much NFL film. Allegedly not setting your D is suppose to confuse line blocking schemes. Does it work at the HS level? Maybe maybe not, I mean O line blocking schemes aren't that complex in HS. We could debate that until next football season.

All that being said, I hope who ever is the new coach at DHS is successful. The fans, and the kids deserve that.

No. Doty was still calling and/or changing the defense while the QB was calling cadence. The only people confused were the kids playing defense.

Oh I got ya. I was thinking it was some kind of Dick LeBeau inspired "walk around" defense. Can't they establish a base D and let a LB make adjustments once they see the O set?

team wrote: We have had some good talent on the defensive side of the ball but all those players were playing on the offensive side of the ball too, and i don't hear anyone ripping Coach Ramsey like they are ripping Doty. And Ramsey cussed more then any of the other coaches combined so you can't use that as an argument either. Plus, he is shorter than Doty so their goes your little man syndrome argument, onedawg. And yes, the suspense is killing me. How soon will this be announced?

Yes Ram is shorter, but not a little man or are you that jaded?

bleed_orange_and_black wrote:

THE4RINGZ wrote: All right, put aside the fact that a potential coach at DHS cusses like a sailor at times, do you think this Doty guy is the right guy for the head coaching job or not? Granted he has masterminded what is believed to be the best defense in the WCAL for the past five years, but is he head coach material?

Well apparently the search committee doesn't think Doty is the right guy. I just heard it's down to Carr and Billker. Besides, I think it's a reach to say he "masterminded" the defense. He certainly didn't come up with anything new. Football is just a matter of putting the right people in the right places. Hell, he didn't even always have the right people in the right places. Don't know how many times the defense was still moving around while the QB was calling the cadence.

I told you those two were the ones

Now, now, no name calling. Whether or not Doty is head coach material, I do not know. I do know that he was a great assistant coach and did a good job as the D-coordinator. I think our assistant coaches should stay where they are as that would provide good continuity for this year, especially since we have a chance to be pretty good. Evidently, the search committee thought the same way as Doty is not named in the final 2. Anybody have an idea on how the coaches are planning to replace Torgler and buen at inside backers?

team wrote: Now, now, no name calling. Whether or not Doty is head coach material, I do not know. I do know that he was a great assistant coach and did a good job as the D-coordinator. I think our assistant coaches should stay where they are as that would provide good continuity for this year, especially since we have a chance to be pretty good. Evidently, the search committee thought the same way as Doty is not named in the final 2. Anybody have an idea on how the coaches are planning to replace Torgler and buen at inside backers?

Well my thoughts on our linebacker situation were to put Keyes and Moyer at those positions since we are filled up in the secondary.

I suppose you have a better shot of retaining your current assistant coaches since the previous coach retired, and can't take his staff to a new school with him. Will the new coach bring his own staff? Maybe a few, time will tell. Certainly keeping the assistants will allow the new coach to transition easier.

As far as replacing graduating players. Hopefully (and especially if the current assistants are retained) they already have a couple of kids in mind. However, given the thin ranks at DHS last year, a lot of kids didn't get enough playing time to get on the radar of the coaching staff unless they were already a starter.

IMO

A lot of the BIG HITTERS graduate this year. I don't know if you can replace that, you just put someone in there and hope for the best. 4ringz is right , not a lot of younger kids got much exposure last season. Only played 2 or 3 JV games, no freshman team. Could be alright offensively if a couple kids fill in the line but defense is gonna be a big question.

Are the numbers for the entire program supposed to be up for this season over last years? Just curious.

That is another toughie facing the new coach, making the best of a thin roster like that. I thought the kids especially did one heck of a job last year playing two way football for the entire season.

i think the offense is going to be very good - lint and blevins in the backfield (who knows what kind of offensive set the new coach will run), hackett at qb, zeek at TE, raff, boak and kandel at reciever. If the run the same set as before, you could have moyer and/or keyes at fb - that's pretty darn good at the skill positions. You return horst at center, burns and miller on the o-line so you have a nucleus there to start with. On defense, you have zeek, miller, burns and TBD on the d-line, lint, blevins, boak, raff at db. The big question mark is obviously at LB. I would probably put kandel and moyer at OLB and keyes inside. The nise thing about Moyer is you can almost play him anywhere in the back 7 (probably even at DE if you had to.) You could also mix in mo hostetler there. Lots of two way starters, but that's how they were this year anyway. IMO, the best thing the new coach could do is call a meeting of any student that has ever played football and give them his sales pitch. There are a few guys in every class that they need to get back out, they could really use the depth.

Yeah if I were the new guy I would be at every P.E. class in the month of February looking for talent. The weight room would be filled with prospects for next fall.

Given your list of D players and their prospective positions, will we be seeing the old 5-2 in Dalton next season? LOL