
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 9:29pm
So all you care about is what you want and don't care what the people who will have to live with it day in and day out want?se-alum wrote: Not sure about Issue 1.
Issue 2 gets a big "NO" vote from me. I voted "yes" on the amendment I wanted, and that's what I will stick with.

CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Apr 28, 2010 9:39pm
Issue 2 had better fail. Once the Blue Jackets leave which is very likely given their unfortunate money situation, what will Arena district have?

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 9:42pm
Lots of bars and restaurants and probably the only downtown living worth a damn besides Miranova. There was no hockey saturday night and the Arena Distrcit was slammed.CinciX12 wrote: Issue 2 had better fail. Once the Blue Jackets leave which is very likely given their unfortunate money situation, what will Arena district have?
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 10:14pm
I want what is best for all of the people of Ohio. It is a state issue. I could live it being a local issue, but you have to give each community the option to determine whether or not they want gambling in their boundaries. You can't make it a state issue when it is to your benefit (denying other areas the opportunity), and then make it a local issue when that better serves your purpose.LJ wrote:So all you care about is what you want and don't care what the people who will have to live with it day in and day out want?se-alum wrote: Not sure about Issue 1.
Issue 2 gets a big "NO" vote from me. I voted "yes" on the amendment I wanted, and that's what I will stick with.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:15pm
Your post makes no sense at all. The casino will be in the city of columbus, PERIOD.Al Bundy wrote:I want what is best for all of the people of Ohio. It is a state issue. I could live it being a local issue, but you have to give each community the option to determine whether or not they want gambling in their boundaries. You can't make it a state issue when it is to your benefit (denying other areas the opportunity), and then make it a local issue when that better serves your purpose.LJ wrote:So all you care about is what you want and don't care what the people who will have to live with it day in and day out want?se-alum wrote: Not sure about Issue 1.
Issue 2 gets a big "NO" vote from me. I voted "yes" on the amendment I wanted, and that's what I will stick with.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:20pm
Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 10:25pm
Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:27pm
????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 10:30pm
If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:31pm
?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 10:33pm
If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.LJ wrote:?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:35pm
or, more likelihood, you are going to dick over the people that this ACTUALLY affects, not just some theoretical idea bouncing around in your brain.Al Bundy wrote:If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.LJ wrote:?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 10:39pm
I'm not "dicking over" anyone. Come back with an issue in November that says each municipality in Ohio can determine if and where they want a casino. I would vote for it in a heartbeat. I am against the current issue the way it is written.LJ wrote:or, more likelihood, you are going to dick over the people that this ACTUALLY affects, not just some theoretical idea bouncing around in your brain.Al Bundy wrote:If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.LJ wrote:?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:44pm
This has nothing to do with "if", it has everything to do with 1 casino in 1 city. Voting "yes" or "no" is not going to get you more casinos. See, the problem is, the casino CITY is already determined, Columbus is going to get their money. If this is voted down, they are going to build the Casino in the Arena District. You are not going to get your "better ballot" that you dreamt up. You are "against" this issue for the wrong reasons, and I am still not even sure you understand the issue. So in other words, if you vote "no" you are voting against the wishes of the people where the Casino will be built, no matter what.Al Bundy wrote:I'm not "dicking over" anyone. Come back with an issue in November that says each municipality in Ohio can determine if and where they want a casino. I would vote for it in a heartbeat. I am against the current issue the way it is written.LJ wrote:or, more likelihood, you are going to dick over the people that this ACTUALLY affects, not just some theoretical idea bouncing around in your brain.Al Bundy wrote:If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.LJ wrote:?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.
I will make you a bet. If issue 2 gets voted down, I bet you $100 that there is no issue in November that would allow any number of casinos in the state of Ohio. Deal? Or are you just taking a theoretical stand against something that ultimately won't affect you?
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 10:51pm
I understand the issue, and I am against it. If Columbus wants to make the casinos a local issue, they need to change the language that they have. Ohio agreed to a deal last November. If we are going to redo the deal for a state issue, shouldn't we look at redoing it for the whole state instead of one city?LJ wrote:This has nothing to do with "if", it has everything to do with 1 casino in 1 city. Voting "yes" or "no" is not going to get you more casinos. See, the problem is, the casino CITY is already determined, Columbus is going to get their money. If this is voted down, they are going to build the Casino in the Arena District. You are not going to get your "better ballot" that you dreamt up. You are "against" this issue for the wrong reasons, and I am still not even sure you understand the issue. So in other words, if you vote "no" you are voting against the wishes of the people where the Casino will be built, no matter what.Al Bundy wrote:I'm not "dicking over" anyone. Come back with an issue in November that says each municipality in Ohio can determine if and where they want a casino. I would vote for it in a heartbeat. I am against the current issue the way it is written.LJ wrote:or, more likelihood, you are going to dick over the people that this ACTUALLY affects, not just some theoretical idea bouncing around in your brain.Al Bundy wrote:If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.LJ wrote:?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.
I will make you a bet. If issue 2 gets voted down, I bet you $100 that there is no issue in November that would allow any number of casinos in the state of Ohio. Deal? Or are you just taking a theoretical stand against something that ultimately won't affect you?

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 28, 2010 10:58pm
No, because those cities have not petitioned for a ballot issue. It's that simple.Al Bundy wrote:I understand the issue, and I am against it. If Columbus wants to make the casinos a local issue, they need to change the language that they have. Ohio agreed to a deal last November. If we are going to redo the deal for a state issue, shouldn't we look at redoing it for the whole state instead of one city?LJ wrote:This has nothing to do with "if", it has everything to do with 1 casino in 1 city. Voting "yes" or "no" is not going to get you more casinos. See, the problem is, the casino CITY is already determined, Columbus is going to get their money. If this is voted down, they are going to build the Casino in the Arena District. You are not going to get your "better ballot" that you dreamt up. You are "against" this issue for the wrong reasons, and I am still not even sure you understand the issue. So in other words, if you vote "no" you are voting against the wishes of the people where the Casino will be built, no matter what.Al Bundy wrote:I'm not "dicking over" anyone. Come back with an issue in November that says each municipality in Ohio can determine if and where they want a casino. I would vote for it in a heartbeat. I am against the current issue the way it is written.LJ wrote:or, more likelihood, you are going to dick over the people that this ACTUALLY affects, not just some theoretical idea bouncing around in your brain.Al Bundy wrote:If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.LJ wrote:?????????? I don't see how forcing an area to take something they don't want vs an area that does want it change what is good or bad for the STATE? Like I said either you don't understand what is happening, or you are just using extremely flawed reasoning.Al Bundy wrote:If they come back with another proposal in the fall, you will get more statewide support. Why shouldn't a state issue be about what is good for most of the state instead of just one city in the state?LJ wrote:????Al Bundy wrote:Unless they come back with another proposal on the November ballot. Vote No on Issue 2.LJ wrote: Let me break this down more for you. The location is in the State Constitution, so the ballot has to be awarded to the whole voting population. If you vote "YES" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on West Broad Street, Columbus Ohio. If you vote "NO" on Issue 2, the Casino will be built on Nationwide Blvd, Columbus Ohio.
And what is your reasoning? The residents of the 1st site don't want it, and the residents of the second site DO want it. If you care about the people that this issue is ACTUALLY affecting, vote YES on issue 2. There will still only be 1 casino in the city of Columbus. Your reasoning is flawed.
I will make you a bet. If issue 2 gets voted down, I bet you $100 that there is no issue in November that would allow any number of casinos in the state of Ohio. Deal? Or are you just taking a theoretical stand against something that ultimately won't affect you?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Apr 28, 2010 11:06pm
I don't get what's so hard about this.
Just vote "yes" and stop acting like this has any affect on you.
There is not going to be another Casino ballot, they aren't going to redo the whole damn thing because look how long it took to get this (less than perfect) one passed.
Just vote "yes" and stop acting like this has any affect on you.
There is not going to be another Casino ballot, they aren't going to redo the whole damn thing because look how long it took to get this (less than perfect) one passed.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 28, 2010 11:58pm
Why would I vote yes, if I am against it?I Wear Pants wrote: I don't get what's so hard about this.
Just vote "yes" and stop acting like this has any affect on you.
There is not going to be another Casino ballot, they aren't going to redo the whole damn thing because look how long it took to get this (less than perfect) one passed.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Apr 29, 2010 12:00am
You are against moving the Casino to a different part of Columbus?
This ballot isn't about the Casino legislation that was already passed. All it is about is the location of the Columbus casino. Voting "no" will do nothing but keep the casino in the arena district.
This ballot isn't about the Casino legislation that was already passed. All it is about is the location of the Columbus casino. Voting "no" will do nothing but keep the casino in the arena district.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 29, 2010 12:01am
I am against the issue the way it is written.I Wear Pants wrote: You are against moving the Casino to a different part of Columbus?
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Apr 29, 2010 12:06am
That's not what's on the ballot. On the ballot is "hey guys, can we move the casino from the arena district to this other place? -Thanks, Columbus". That's it.Al Bundy wrote:I am against the issue the way it is written.I Wear Pants wrote: You are against moving the Casino to a different part of Columbus?
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Apr 29, 2010 12:17am
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/publications/election/Issues10_primary.pdfI Wear Pants wrote:That's not what's on the ballot. On the ballot is "hey guys, can we move the casino from the arena district to this other place? -Thanks, Columbus". That's it.Al Bundy wrote:I am against the issue the way it is written.I Wear Pants wrote: You are against moving the Casino to a different part of Columbus?
Page 13 does a great job giving the reason to vote NO on Issue 2

LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 29, 2010 12:27am
No it doesn't. It gives a reason to be pissed about the orig. amendment.Al Bundy wrote:http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/publications/election/Issues10_primary.pdfI Wear Pants wrote:That's not what's on the ballot. On the ballot is "hey guys, can we move the casino from the arena district to this other place? -Thanks, Columbus". That's it.Al Bundy wrote:I am against the issue the way it is written.I Wear Pants wrote: You are against moving the Casino to a different part of Columbus?
Page 13 does a great job giving the reason to vote NO on Issue 2
Nowhere in the official language does that make the "vote no" piece valid. Nowhere does it say "this is the only change that can ever be made" rather, it says "this is the only change that this amendment currently makes"
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Apr 29, 2010 6:42am
Has there been any indication from anyone that this is a real possibility?Al Bundy wrote:
If this is voted down, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall.

ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 29, 2010 7:43am
If this passes, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall as well.
If this vote ties, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall as well
If they withdraw it from the ballot in the next week, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall as well.
What are you trying to prove? Every time you try to add to your argument, you just take away from it.
If this vote ties, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall as well
If they withdraw it from the ballot in the next week, there could be a better option on the ballot in the fall as well.
What are you trying to prove? Every time you try to add to your argument, you just take away from it.