Browns fans have proven to be loyal, and for the most part not too terribly delusional (though quite a few are, like with every fanbase).

OSU still has the retards they picked up after 2002 to deal with as part of their fanbase, which hurts their case for the "best".
They're up there, but that influx of idiot bandwagoners that showed up after the NC are the deal breaker. It wouldn't be bad, but they talk like they actually have a clue about football, and that's when they get themselves in trouble.

DaBrowns41 wrote: I don't believe the Reds sellout games that often, but I could be wrong.

Point is, you never hear anything about the Reds. I live in Columbus, and I can tell you that majority of these people are Cleveland fans, or just don't follow baseball that much.

Maybe it's just in Cincy that there are all of these "great fans", but that's like saying the Bengals have fans that stick with them through the tough times.

To say that it's clear that the Reds are the #1 team in accordance with fans is naive.

I think the question was not..."which team is #1 with fans in Ohio", but rather, which team's fans are "best" i.e. "most supportive" in Ohio.

I'm not sure attendance has as much to do with the question...If the question is which teams fan base is the most loyal, year-in, and year-out, through good years and bad...at least that was my interpretation of the question. In other words, during the years after the Browns moved to Baltimore, would you suggest that there were no die-hard Browns backers?
Attendance in Cleveland was zero during those years, but the fan base was strident enough to bring a team back to the city.

In professional sports, in Ohio, I think the Reds and the Browns are the only teams worth mentioning.

If you've never been to opening day in Cincinnati, you really need to go.
The fact that a casual, probably unbiased, perhaps non-baseball fan in Columbus "never hears anything about the Reds" probably has very little to say about the fan base itself.

killdeer wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: I don't believe the Reds sellout games that often, but I could be wrong.

Point is, you never hear anything about the Reds. I live in Columbus, and I can tell you that majority of these people are Cleveland fans, or just don't follow baseball that much.

Maybe it's just in Cincy that there are all of these "great fans", but that's like saying the Bengals have fans that stick with them through the tough times.

To say that it's clear that the Reds are the #1 team in accordance with fans is naive.

I think the question was not..."which team is #1 with fans in Ohio", but rather, which team's fans are "best" i.e. "most supportive" in Ohio.

I'm not sure attendance has as much to do with the question...If the question is which teams fan base is the most loyal, year-in, and year-out, through good years and bad...at least that was my interpretation of the question. In other words, during the years after the Browns moved to Baltimore, would you suggest that there were no die-hard Browns backers?
Attendance in Cleveland was zero during those years, but the fan base was strident enough to bring a team back to the city.

In professional sports, in Ohio, I think the Reds and the Browns are the only teams worth mentioning.

If you've never been to opening day in Cincinnati, you really need to go.
The fact that a casual, probably unbiased, perhaps non-baseball fan in Columbus "never hears anything about the Reds" probably has very little to say about the fan base itself.

How does attendance and loyalty not have to do with the "best" fans? It seems to me that those go hand in hand.

The Indians sell out games still, despite the fact that they are terrible. The Reds struggle with putting butts in seats.

The only thing I've seen from Cincy is bandwagon fans, to be honest. I didn't see hardly any Bengals or Bearcat fans until this season, when both teams started to get spanked when they played real football teams.

The Reds are also a disappointment, but actually have some talent on their roster (at least much more so than the minor league team that the Indians are about to field in the Spring).

I don't hate Cincy, I just think that those are some of the laziest, most fairweather fans in the game.

Browns fans are around all the time, everywhere. Just like Chicago Cubs fans. No matter what happens, rain or shine, win or lose, those fans support their team, and are loyal, and love them no matter what.

You can't say the same for any team in Cincinnati, except for maybe Bearcats basketball in the Huggins days.

Browns.

What happened after Benedict Art moved the team tells you all you need to know.

DaBrowns41 wrote:The Indians sell out games still, despite the fact that they are terrible.

For now at least. I lived through almost 3 decades watching the Tribe finish dead last year after year. On a good day they'd attract less fans to Municipal Stadium than a lot of Class A minor league clubs.

If the Indians keep losing they'll have as much problem plopping butts in seats as the Reds.

Conversely, while the Indians were stinking up the house on Mistake on the Lake the Big Red Machine was selling out every game.

These things go in cycles.

However I will agree that Browns fans are easily some of the most loyal on professional sports.

OH!!

Here's another question worth pondering...Which NFL Team's fans are the best? The Browns have the Dawg Pound, The Raiders have the Black Hole, Green Bay has the Cheeseheads, the Dolphins have the Dolfans...There are a lot of teams with strong fan bases...which is the best?

Browns fans are not only the best in Ohio, or even the best in the NFL, they are the best in any pro sport. When Modell moved the Browns the uproar caused the NFL to create an expansion team in Cleveland and give that expansion team the colors and history of the previous Browns. I'm not aware of that ever happening before when a team relocated. We sell out this stadium every week when we never win more than 5 games in a season. I can't wait to see a legitimate contending team in Cleveland. That stadium would be insane like the old stadium was.

Browns fans! We stay united!

Cleveland Buck wrote: Browns fans are not only the best in Ohio, or even the best in the NFL, they are the best in any pro sport. When Modell moved the Browns the uproar caused the NFL to create an expansion team in Cleveland and give that expansion team the colors and history of the previous Browns. I'm not aware of that ever happening before when a team relocated. We sell out this stadium every week when we never win more than 5 games in a season. I can't wait to see a legitimate contending team in Cleveland. That stadium would be insane like the old stadium was.

I would use this argument as well. What other city/franchise can virtually force the NFL to guarantee that the team will be back. It would be tough to argue against this...

Cleveland Buck wrote: Browns fans are not only the best in Ohio, or even the best in the NFL, they are the best in any pro sport. When Modell moved the Browns the uproar caused the NFL to create an expansion team in Cleveland and give that expansion team the colors and history of the previous Browns. I'm not aware of that ever happening before when a team relocated. We sell out this stadium every week when we never win more than 5 games in a season. I can't wait to see a legitimate contending team in Cleveland. That stadium would be insane like the old stadium was.

Cleveland Browns stadium is going to be amazing when the Browns become consistently good. Hell, it's amazing now...just imagine if we had something big to REALLY cheer for...like a playoff game.

I was at the Monday night game against the Giants in 2007 and this year's Steelers game. Two best sporting events I have ever attended...

In terms of high school fan support, you have got to include Ottawa-Glandorf. The town shuts down each March to follow their boys in the state basketball tournament. No community in the eastern part of the state comes close to this team's following.

For D-I student sections, no one beats Elder. They collapsed the risers in St. John Arena in the early '90s they were so crazy. I'm with Wes, I absolutely love watching Elder play at State.

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How does attendance and loyalty not have to do with the "best" fans? It seems to me that those go hand in hand.

The Indians sell out games still, despite the fact that they are terrible. The Reds struggle with putting butts in seats.

The only thing I've seen from Cincy is bandwagon fans, to be honest. I didn't see hardly any Bengals or Bearcat fans until this season, when both teams started to get spanked when they played real football teams.

The Reds are also a disappointment, but actually have some talent on their roster (at least much more so than the minor league team that the Indians are about to field in the Spring).

I don't hate Cincy, I just think that those are some of the laziest, most fairweather fans in the game.

Browns fans are around all the time, everywhere. Just like Chicago Cubs fans. No matter what happens, rain or shine, win or lose, those fans support their team, and are loyal, and love them no matter what.

You can't say the same for any team in Cincinnati, except for maybe Bearcats basketball in the Huggins days.
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I think you don't quite understand fans of the Cincinnati sports teams. Reds fans are by far the most loyal, passionate of all the Cincinnati sports teams. You really can't compare the fan bases of the Reds to the Bengals or Bearcats. Maybe it's due to the age of the team (they are baseball's first team after all). Someone alluded to it earlier, but a lot of Reds fans are in Kentucky and Indiana. I would also add in Cincinnati, Dayton, southern Ohio and parts of WV. The Reds are more a regional team compared to the Indians whose fan base are drawn by folks from Ohio (mostly northern Ohio) and people who have relocated from Ohio.

I would like to respond to your comment about not knowing Cincinnati sports fans. You are from Columbus so I am not surprised you don't quite understand. The people of Cincinnati are the most provincial people in the state. The people from that town never leave. In fact, they never leave the side of town they grow up on. The few Cincy posters on the Huddle can relate-- a West Sider never moves to the East Side and vise versa. Therefore, you don't hear of all of these fans because you reside in Columbus, which comprises of mostly Columbus natives, a ton of NEO transplants, some Eastern Ohio transplants and some NW and Western Ohio transplants. There are very few Cincinnati transplants in Columbus. I live in Columbus and the people I see wearinig Bengal and Reds gear are either from Columbus or Southern Ohio originally.

Trust me, if you were to live in Cincinnati for a spell, you would be overwhelmed by the long time Reds, Bengals, UC, Xavier and Miami University fans you would run into. The world does not revolve around Columbus and Cleveland to the folks in the southwest corner of the state.

Browns. OSU would be close but they dont support the basketball team hardly at all. If you had said OSU football only I think its close. But with OSU in general (I would count football and basketball only) they fall short of the Browns.

Little Danny wrote: (they are baseball's first team after all).

that's actually not true. The Cincinnati Red Stockings were the first pro baseball team in 1869....but they folded in 1871. The Current Reds franchise was not established until 1882, and by the the current Braves and Cubs were already established

wes_mantooth wrote:

The_Crosby_Show wrote: No love for the Blue Jackets???

I do not follow hockey at all, but do the Jackets sell out their games?

I have been to a couple of Penguin games and those fans are hardcore and the games I went to were sellouts.

The only timd they sell out their games is when the Pens , Red Wings, Blackhawks, and Canadiens come to town. They'll sell out a Avs game every once in a while.

Lucky man for being able to attend a game at the Igloo. I'm trying to get tickets for a home game considering this is their last year in that building.