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Jan 24, 2010 10:44 PM
tuskytuffguy wrote: Better to rely on that, than to risk a turnover. At least you have a chance. If you make the kick, you win. If not, it's overtime. Seems like better odds to me.
I'm sure Childress was thinking this: "Man, this is great. I have a 19-year veteran out there who will make this situation no risk of a turnover. He's not dumb enough to just throw a ball randomly, and he knows how many men belong in the huddle. Wait, what the hell? Off a TIMEOUT? HOW do you not see 12 men out there?"

Immediately followed by: "Okay, so he can scramble, get a few, and take the timeout and get that penalty yardage back. But he's not going to make an ill-fated pass....WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING? BRETT! WHAT THE HELL?"
Jan 24, 2010 10:44pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:45 PM
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tuskytuffguy wrote: NNN, most of the time I agree with you, no materr how controversial you may be. But this time, absolutely not. Noone in their their right mind passes on 3rd down with a timout left, seconds left on the clock and in kicking range.
It would have been a 50-yard FG attempt. At the time that Favre pulled up to throw, the absolute worst situation that could have happened would be if he'd simply slid or taken a knee, called the timeout, and it would have been a 4th-down field goal of the same distance.

Favre, as he has done his entire career, wanted to make a stupid play when he didn't need to, and that's why he's the only guy whose last career throw is an interception...twice.
Correction, it would have been a 55 yd FG attempt due to the 12 men in the huddle penalty on the previous line-up for the play.
Jan 24, 2010 10:45pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:49 PM
NNN wrote: If he's juggling it, it hits the ground, and he then acquires possession, it's incomplete.
That is a perfect description of what actually happened! Should have been ruled incomplete.
Jan 24, 2010 10:49pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:51 PM
It would have been a long field goal any way, but that 5 yard penalty totally changed the calculus of that final play for the Vikings.
Jan 24, 2010 10:51pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:51 PM
Uhhh, a 19-yr vet that just happened to be hopping on every drop-back(due to an obvious sprained ankle), to run and gain a few yards? Yeah, right. Gimmee a fucking break.
Jan 24, 2010 10:51pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:54 PM
tuskytuffguy wrote: Better to rely on that, than to risk a turnover. At least you have a chance. If you make the kick, you win. If not, it's overtime. Seems like better odds to me.
If you miss the 55 yd FG its OT also. So risking a turnover to get a 70% better chance to win it with a kick is probably somewhat better odds than trying the 55 yd FG.
Jan 24, 2010 10:54pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:54 PM
favre retires!!

you heard it here first!

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"After this past season, I proved to myself and to everyone else that I still had it. The season was long and took a lot out of me. I just don't think my body will be able to produce another successful season. For this reason, I have decided to retire from football"--Brett Favre
Jan 24, 2010 10:54pm
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Jan 24, 2010 10:55 PM
mhs95_06 wrote:
NNN wrote: If he's juggling it, it hits the ground, and he then acquires possession, it's incomplete.
That is a perfect description of what actually happened! Should have been ruled incomplete.
Exactly!! However, the Vikings had 5 turnovers. No one to blame but themselves!! They blew the call but the Vikes tested fate too many timmes.
Jan 24, 2010 10:55pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:00 PM

I am the other way around. My brain says Saints, and heart says Favre. I just know that Favre is due for that Favre like game where he throws 3 or 4 interceptions and makes terrible decisions. The 2007 NFC championship game is a perfect example. He played well for 18 straight games, and threw one retarded INT in overtime that ruined everything. I just don't see how he gets through without that moment happening, and it hasn't happened yet which means it is way over due.
That is the comment I made on another thread here at 2:03 this afternoon.

Watching Favre is like watching Mickelson at the U.S Open. He gets so close, but he just can't help himself but to screw it up. Lucky for him he won his Super Bowl before the demons really crept in.
Jan 24, 2010 11:00pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:02 PM
september63 wrote:
mhs95_06 wrote:
NNN wrote: If he's juggling it, it hits the ground, and he then acquires possession, it's incomplete.
That is a perfect description of what actually happened! Should have been ruled incomplete.
Exactly!! However, the Vikings had 5 turnovers. No one to blame but themselves!! They blew the call but the Vikes tested fate too many timmes.
A bad call is a bad call no matter what. It shouldn't not be called just because the Vikings fumbled it a bunch. Should be looked at objectively no matter what.

If the Vikings were winning by 30 I'd still be bitching about it because they were the wrong calls. Doesn't matter what else is going on, you don't all the sudden overlook the rules because a team made mistakes earlier in the game.

I'll also say it again, a different team in a different game gets huge fines for the hits on Favre. Shouldn't be that way.
Jan 24, 2010 11:02pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:08 PM
IggyPride00 wrote:

I am the other way around. My brain says Saints, and heart says Favre. I just know that Favre is due for that Favre like game where he throws 3 or 4 interceptions and makes terrible decisions. The 2007 NFC championship game is a perfect example. He played well for 18 straight games, and threw one retarded INT in overtime that ruined everything. I just don't see how he gets through without that moment happening, and it hasn't happened yet which means it is way over due.
That is the comment I made on another thread here at 2:03 this afternoon.

Watching Favre is like watching Mickelson at the U.S Open. He gets so close, but he just can't help himself but to screw it up. Lucky for him he won his Super Bowl before the demons really crept in.

Favre made some mistakes but he isn't the one who screwed it up. Peterson, Harvin, and Berrian all fumbled the ball also.
Jan 24, 2010 11:08pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:19 PM
Wrong!! If a late hit was EVER going to be called, it would be called against Farve.
Jan 24, 2010 11:19pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:22 PM
Vikings gave the game away. They were CLEARLY the better team "at" New Orleans home field. But, stats dont win games, except for t.o.'s in NO's favor. I look for NO to get creamed in two weeks.
Jan 24, 2010 11:22pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:35 PM
cats gone wild wrote: Vikings gave the game away. They were CLEARLY the better team "at" New Orleans home field. But, stats dont win games, except for t.o.'s in NO's favor. I look for NO to get creamed in two weeks.
To be honest the Saints made some stupid mistakes also(Penalties) and Reggie Bush punt fumble. Let's not act like the Saints D did not force those turnovers(excluding the hand off exchange from Peterson/Farve. That has been the Saints defense all year. They force turnovers and they scored from turnovers. Turnovers are not always the Offenses fault, sometimes the D actually makes plays happen too.
Jan 24, 2010 11:35pm
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Jan 24, 2010 11:54 PM
Correction, it would have been a 55 yd FG attempt due to the 12 men in the huddle penalty on the previous line-up for the play.
I would have called the same type of play....after the 5 yard penalty. On replay, Favre could have easily run for 8-10 yards and they still had their last time out left.

He made the wrong decision there for sure.
Jan 24, 2010 11:54pm
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Jan 25, 2010 12:03 AM
Only mistake Favre made was comin to play for a group of losers like the vikings. I hope they all go die, except for Favre and Visanthe. I hope they win Super Bowls together somewhere.
Jan 25, 2010 12:03am
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Jan 25, 2010 12:49 AM
tuskytuffguy wrote: Uhhh, a 19-yr vet that just happened to be hopping on every drop-back(due to an obvious sprained ankle), to run and gain a few yards? Yeah, right. Gimmee a fucking break.
It might be more of an issue, if not for the fact that I remember this happening.

Jan 25, 2010 12:49am
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Jan 25, 2010 11:38 AM
Footwedge wrote:
Correction, it would have been a 55 yd FG attempt due to the 12 men in the huddle penalty on the previous line-up for the play.
I would have called the same type of play....after the 5 yard penalty. On replay, Favre could have easily run for 8-10 yards and they still had their last time out left.

He made the wrong decision there for sure.
I think Farve made the right decision, just a bit late, about as late as a 40 yrs olds' reflexes are compared to when he was 27! He used to get away with going against conventional wisdom all the time. I don't think he could have come close to getting 8-10 yards, and he may have been knocked out of the superbowl if they would have won! In my opinion, OTwould have resulted regardless of what he chose to do, even hit a shorter receiver, unless he completes the throw he tried.
Jan 25, 2010 11:38am