So it is OK to take steroids and break the records of guys who played the game without the help of performance enhancing drugs. Guys like Maris, Aaron, and Ruth did it honestly. So yea it is sort of a big deal.Hammerin'Hank wrote: I'm not going to defend his actions.....but...When he took whatever he took, it was not illegal and he still had to hit the ball. The same with all who took steroids. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.
I suppose it's happened in every sport...tell me something new.
And I'll argue that they used some type of supplement, probably nothing compared to today's standards, but still something.From the Hills wrote:So it is OK to take steroids and break the records of guys who played the game without the help of performance enhancing drugs. Guys like Maris, Aaron, and Ruth did it honestly. So yea it is sort of a big deal.Hammerin'Hank wrote: I'm not going to defend his actions.....but...When he took whatever he took, it was not illegal and he still had to hit the ball. The same with all who took steroids. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.
I suppose it's happened in every sport...tell me something new.
Like what? Oh I forgot the Babe got pumped up on hot dogs, beer, cigarettes, and hookers before games.pnhasbeen wrote:And I'll argue that they used some type of supplement, probably nothing compared to today's standards, but still something.From the Hills wrote:So it is OK to take steroids and break the records of guys who played the game without the help of performance enhancing drugs. Guys like Maris, Aaron, and Ruth did it honestly. So yea it is sort of a big deal.Hammerin'Hank wrote: I'm not going to defend his actions.....but...When he took whatever he took, it was not illegal and he still had to hit the ball. The same with all who took steroids. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.
I suppose it's happened in every sport...tell me something new.
You may be right, but if you guys are so sure older generations were doing things to their bodies to gain an advantage please tell me what it was. Facts!!!???HighRoller74 wrote: You have no idea what players of the older generations were doing to gain a competitive edge. To act like no one from that generation didn't do illegal stuff to make themselves better is just naive.
I agree with this.charliehustle14 wrote: There's absolutely nothing players from the older eras could have been doing that would be more beneficial to their performance and longevity than PED's.
I agree.HighRoller74 wrote:I agree with this.charliehustle14 wrote: There's absolutely nothing players from the older eras could have been doing that would be more beneficial to their performance and longevity than PED's.
I'm just saying lets not pretend the older generation didn't try to cheat, because that's exactly what baseball is all about. Cheating every chance you get.
They weren't angels back then but they did do it the right way.HighRoller74 wrote: I agree with that as well.
I just hate when fans of the older generation claim that those players all did it the right way, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
Exactly right, and your username probably cheated for that purpose.charliehustle14 wrote:They weren't angels back then but they did do it the right way.HighRoller74 wrote: I agree with that as well.
I just hate when fans of the older generation claim that those players all did it the right way, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
The biggest difference I see is this....
Back then, they cheated to win. Now, players cheat for personal glory (fame and ridiculous paychecks).
Cheating back then was an art form. Now, cheating is something some doctor cooks up in a lab.
Its like John Kruk said. Its not only that they took steroids to get bigger and stronger they took steroids to heal from injury fast so they could get back on the field faster to add to their stats and have the opportunity to break records.Hammerin'Hank wrote: I'm not going to defend his actions.....but...When he took whatever he took, it was not illegal and he still had to hit the ball. The same with all who took steroids. It shouldn't be that big of a deal.
I suppose it's happened in every sport...tell me something new.
Gblock wrote: many oldtime players admit to taking "greenies" before games which is a stimulant.....as far as steroids go i feel that the pitchers were probly juicing too so it pretty much evens out
What he did was wrong and shameful, but that's not cheating.From the Hills wrote:Exactly right, and your username probably cheated for that purpose.charliehustle14 wrote:They weren't angels back then but they did do it the right way.HighRoller74 wrote: I agree with that as well.
I just hate when fans of the older generation claim that those players all did it the right way, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
The biggest difference I see is this....
Back then, they cheated to win. Now, players cheat for personal glory (fame and ridiculous paychecks).
Cheating back then was an art form. Now, cheating is something some doctor cooks up in a lab.
I do agree with this but haven't they proved that Rose never bet against his team? Not to take this thread in a whole different direction.crab42 wrote: Betting can make the playing field uneven... That's the whole reason that it's such a sin in baseball. You have to worry about the players not going all out, or a manager not making moves that he would/would not normally make.
Are these examples of practices that could have long term negative effects? No, I don't think so. But in your world of comparing apples to oranges I guess it's OK for Johnny to be shooting up with roids in High School.baseballstud24 wrote: There are so many things that athletes have accessible to them today that the old players did not have. Even legals stuff that still enhances performance and injury recovery. Hines Ward slept in a hyperbearic (sp) chamber before the superbowl so that his knee would recover quicker. Anthony Gonzalez sleeps in some oxygen reduced tent to keep him in better shape. Should any records these guys set be banned as well?
He's obviously lying about having no idea what was going on.Skyhook79 wrote: What respect I had for Tony LaRussa is now gone after listening to him try and justify McGwire's actions and that he had NO idea what was going on until McGwire told him the other day.
