Wrong.Sonofanump wrote:Incorrect. The NFL and NCAA do not have 5 yard facemask fouls, it has to be a personal foul, twisting or pulling of the facemask.Footwedge wrote: A facemask penalty is a face mask penalty. The refs blew it. What a shame.
No I think I am correct.Sonofanump wrote:If the foul occurred while Arizona had possession then you would have been correct.SQ_Crazies wrote: I was under the impression that it would have been Arizona's ball, they just obviously would have called back the TD.
Could you show me the rule in print?SQ_Crazies wrote: You don't have to twist or pull--it's all based on what the official sees. That's how the rule is written but what happened would get called 99.9% of the time in the NFL.
As you already know being an expert on NFL rules, the referee (the man in the white hat for those of you not knowing the positions of the game officials) is responsible for the QB. His precedence was changed to whether or not the ball strikes the ground once the ball became loose, so no official at that time would have seen the foul if one did exist.SQ_Crazies wrote: I doubt any official had eyes on the QB at the time.
Like you've never bitched about bad calls. What exactly is your problem here LTrain?LTrain23 wrote:Actually, had the facemask been called, it STILL would have been Arizona ball, they just wouldn't have gotten the TD as a result of the play..Footwedge wrote: Flag should have been thrown. The Packers had their choice of A. Losing the game on the play or B. accepting the penalty and having a first down on the 33 yard line.
A facemask penalty is a face mask penalty. The refs blew it. What a shame.
I hate when people bitch about missed calls though. Shit happens. Get over it.
I realize this, that is why I said it. He wasn't watching for a facemask because the ball was out...no shit Sherlock. That's why it didn't get called, that's what I said. It's not IF one existed, because it definitely happened, he just didn't see it. It isn't reviewable because it's a judgement call, hence why not twisting and pulling still gets called if you grab a facemask. And if you want to argue that this shouldn't have been called then you're a SHITTY official:Sonofanump wrote:As you already know being an expert on NFL rules, the referee (the man in the white hat for those of you not knowing the positions of the game officials) is responsible for the QB. His precedence was changed to whether or not the ball strikes the ground once the ball became loose, so no official at that time would have seen the foul if one did exist.SQ_Crazies wrote: I doubt any official had eyes on the QB at the time.
1) Possession is needed prior to the foul to retain the ball, i.e. clean hands.SQ_Crazies wrote: What am I wrong about? There are no 5 yard facemask penalties anymore...
Not even close, but funny that you would result to such a accusation.SQ_Crazies wrote: What the hell do you officiate? 8th graders?
If you need me to I will.SQ_Crazies wrote:Care to lecture me and tell me I don't know the rules some more?
Nope, I deal with civil law, not criminal.SQ_Crazies wrote: And BTW, have you ever seen a horizontal zebra?
When did I say they should have retained the ball? I don't think they should have, your reading comprehension is lacking.Sonofanump wrote:1) Possession is needed prior to the foul to retain the ball, i.e. clean hands.SQ_Crazies wrote: What am I wrong about? There are no 5 yard facemask penalties anymore...
2) Facemask fouls need to be personal foul types now, i.e. twist and/or pull. Grasping the face mask is not an automatic 15 yard PF. The old 5 yard foul is not now a 15 yard foul, it does not exist.
SQ_Crazies wrote: I was under the impression that it would have been Arizona's ball, they just obviously would have called back the TD.
Sure is kind of funny how sq isn't around to defend this statement. I actually think he might be playing 8th grade football.Sonofanump wrote:SQ_Crazies wrote: I was under the impression that it would have been Arizona's ball, they just obviously would have called back the TD.
Wow. This just keeps getting better.SQ_Crazies wrote: Huh? The penalty was against Arizona but it was after the ball was out....therefore I said I think they would have had the ball and GB WOULDN'T have retained it....
and GB had possession while the ball was loose becauseThe interval after a legal forward pass is touched and before it becomes complete, incomplete or intercepted. This interval is during a forward pass play, and any player eligible to touch the ball may bat it in any direction
so according to(3) During a loose ball if one of its players was last in possession.
GB should still have the ball since the penalty occured during the loose ball while GB still technically had possession?ARTICLE 3. a. If a penalty is accepted for a foul that occurs between the goal lines before a change of team possession during a scrimmage down, the ball belongs to Team A.
